All Ireland series
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FearArdMhacha
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I thought Crealy was contributing plenty up until he came off. Didn’t think his race was run. If he’d come back on for ET would he still have been on a yellow? By that point we were a man up. Don’t remember when Mackin came off but Duffy was gone also at that stage. Not sure it matters all that much because Monaghan easily got short kick outs away every time even with a press So Crealy being back on wouldn’t have fixed that. I couldn’t believe Rafferty got blown up for contesting that kick out. We were raining down on them and it was a big moment. It’s just an awful way to go out yet again pipped at the post.
On Oisin’s comments I’m not sure that it should be Geezer’s own call. He’s neither saying one thing or another. He’s entitled to make his own decision but he needs to freshen up. For me that‘s a both sides of the argument commentary but what else would he say. If we have him again next season then we need to be prepared to remain in division 2 and possibly make it as far as last 12 or QF again. I don‘t see what were doing and how we’ve regressed bringing us any farther forward.
On Oisin’s comments I’m not sure that it should be Geezer’s own call. He’s neither saying one thing or another. He’s entitled to make his own decision but he needs to freshen up. For me that‘s a both sides of the argument commentary but what else would he say. If we have him again next season then we need to be prepared to remain in division 2 and possibly make it as far as last 12 or QF again. I don‘t see what were doing and how we’ve regressed bringing us any farther forward.
Have to agree, I thought he was having a fairly decent game up to half time and thought the only explanation was he was injured. Even if he was on a yellow I would have left him on. He is not the type of player to normally pick up silly bookings. Greg McCabe on a yellow is a different story.
As for midfield, Crealy and Mackin are a good pairing if we could keep both fit, add in Oisin and we are not that short.
watched it again last night for my sins and I hurt worse than ever now3 days on, still hurts
how did we not win that game !!
even the smallest of margins would have swung it for us
e.g the ref judging turbitt not to have been fouled but then giving the softest of frees to mcmanus at the other end
When Geezer joined the Armagh set up in 2014 as head coach under Grimley we where in division 2. That year we got relegated to division 3. We also lost by 1 point to Donegal in an AI quarter final. I can't understand how people can argue that Geezer has brought us on when we are now back in division 2 were we where when he came in and have still not got beyond an AI quarter final. Ok you might say he got us to division 1 but he also got us up to division 2 and then relegated back to division 3 before getting back to division 2.
The difference in these 2 calls is that one would have won the game, the other was to level it. I'm convinced a lot of referees by their nature in big matches tend to play safe and level up, whether deliberately or unconsciously. So unless there is a nailed on foul, they'll not give it if it means the winning of the game. By same token, they'll give a soft one to level the game. Just my opinion but that's how I see it.watched it again last night for my sins and I hurt worse than ever now
how did we not win that game !!
even the smallest of margins would have swung it for us
e.g the ref judging turbitt not to have been fouled but then giving the softest of frees to mcmanus at the other end
Westisbest
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Taken me a few days to comment but still reeling from our 1 point defeat to the noisy neighbour last Sunday week in Salthill. Tbh with our two spiritual leaders injured (one not returning for the 2nd half) and our best forward off form all year we were up against it. Ye did the damage to us in CoS where we were too casual and should have been home and dry by half time with the missed goal opps and the penalty miss. One thing is while we would not have beaten the Dubs there is no way we would have capitulated like the other crew if Comer and Kelly were fully fit.
On ye serious opportunity missed. Have said it all season Armagh's strength is front foot football. Last season ye did far more of it. Only in fits this season. I know it is a balance to ensure defence is well organised/structured but like us ye have struggled getting the best out yourselves offensively. Sin e unfortunately.
On ye serious opportunity missed. Have said it all season Armagh's strength is front foot football. Last season ye did far more of it. Only in fits this season. I know it is a balance to ensure defence is well organised/structured but like us ye have struggled getting the best out yourselves offensively. Sin e unfortunately.
Armagh_paul
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Theoretically who would be viable options to replace McGeeney? When you look at his managerial record there are no notable successes. If he were to be replaced ideally we would need someone with a track record of success?
ShiftYa
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Doesn’t have to be a high profile appointment or someone from the 02 panel. I’d be happy to see one of the club managers that’s had recent success get a shot.
thehighballinlow
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You said last year was pretty shocking form them and they beat only us and a donegal team in disarray.
Were does this leave us
thehighballinlow
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Which club managers would this be?
There's no way Oisin would call for Geezer's head publicly so everything he says is compromised really. A bit like how Keane / Scholes / Neville etc never called out OGS at Utd. Mates are mates.
Oisin & Tony Mc would be an interesting ticket if he does go - or either as a number 2 if he stays!
Oisin & Tony Mc would be an interesting ticket if he does go - or either as a number 2 if he stays!
ragingbull
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Like Shane McConville
When did they beat us last year?????
ragingbull
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most of the 02 panel sing from the same hymn sheet
Big Jim
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No. Beggan went short to their No. 11 ((Bannigan I think) and Cumiskey tried to run at Beggan to slow the kick out. He 11, moved it on to 17 (can't remember name) and Turbitt was lucky not to clip his heels and get black. Can't make out on the video who 17 moved it to but possibly 5 O'Connell and Conor O'Neill took him down. Again really lucky not to pick up a card. Beggan took the free and went sideways with it eventually resulting in the free that McManus got to take courtesy of a clumsy tackle by 11 Grugan. Beggan was never going to miss around the edge of the D.
Rewinding a bit, the tackle on Soupy that ended in him having to go off was also missed. Highly surprising as the ref is looking directly at it unfold. I can't be certain, but looks like Monaghan 4 Wylie, pushes him as he goes to kick the ball and definitely clips his foot/heel as he goes down causing him to tumble completely. That was a classic black incident and free directly in line with where the ball landed on the 13m line should have been awarded instead of the wide. He gave us a free earlier for a similar incident. That was poor enough, but then as he lay on the ground in distress, looking like cramp, Monaghan 20 (I'm fairly sure Darren Hughes) runs out from the goal line but almost as he passes, deliberately turns left and steps "into" Soupy on the ground. It may have only been a brush past his leg but at the very least it's unsportsmanlike and was a deliberate act. The letter of the law would see it as a strike. On an injured player it's a bit babyish!!
The tackle on Hall resulting in a heavy head injury which he immediately pointed out to the linesman as he was obviously bleeding, should have been seen as bordering on dangerous or rough play. It could have been a red if dealt with properly, but again yellow as a minimum. If we had have done that on any other team, the screams about our bullish behaviour would have been heard for a full year and rightly so. Look at Rian's recent punishment for trying to stop a burglar getting away!
Yes I am sad enough to have watched those last few minutes to pick up on those points
Yes I know it's nit picking and seems like a sore loser - fine I'm a sore loser, but many many people have talked about the small things and small margins
Yes I'm fully aware if I sat through the entire game, pausing and rewinding I'd see things we should have and could have been pulled up on. I imagine I'd find many more Monaghan should have been pulled up on too, but it doesn't mean those points that are factual should be ignored.
Yes I'm annoyed we lost and maybe more so because we should have had it out of sight in normal time. No!! Don't be daft I'm not suggesting we were that much better than them. Just should have been tactically better.
Yes I'm still not over it and I think the fact Monaghan used 2 subs more than they should have, really needs objected to - Okay I made that bit up, but desperate times!
Thank you every player who trained as part of the squad this year or took part in any way. Your efforts and sacrifices are not left un-applauded! I appreciate everything you have done to make this a year to remember.
Thank you to every member of the management and backroom team that did any small or large part this year in an effort to give us the supporters and your families and friends, a team to follow and allow us on that rollercoaster we call sport.
I for one cannot and will not be down on you for making mistakes if you did. You did what you did in the belief that it was for the right reason. I truthfully don't care if others agree with me or not. This is just my thoughts and my opinions. That makes it right for me. For those that have the opinion that management should change, that is one that will be seen in every era and each point you make is valid. Just like mine. I'm in the age bracket that allows me to accept that success is not measured in Social Media likes and the number of £/$/€ in your pocket. Some are fascinated by the "wages" someone gets and speculate infinitely without anything of basis. When challenged for a provable figure, some retreat to things like; "the county board don't release those figures so it must be humungous!" A justification which if used in court would be laughed at, so I can only assume that makes those same speculators politicians as they also know how to avoid simple questioning!
I've never done this and hope I never will again, but aimed directly at Kieran McGeeney:
I was lucky enough to speak to Jarlath Burns at the Athletic Grounds shortly after he retired from playing with the county. I said I just had wished he'd given it one more push. Jarlath replied "You have a great man leading out there now. Believe in him. He has something special about him!"
Geezer I am delighted you do what you do. Massively disappointed at the lack of success we get, but know that whichever way you turn next is the right way for you. You remain as someone who has inspired some of my personal decisions over the last 20+ years particularly in my personal and work decisions. As you said a long time ago, I try every day to be the best I can be. Doesn't mean I'm right. Doesn't mean I always do the right thing. Doesn't mean I'm blinded. Doesn't mean I don't see faults. Doesn't mean I can't see the toll the effort takes! It just means I'm human and fallible. How many can be honest enough to do likewise?
"Be the best you can be!"
Good point. There was always a stick to the process mantra back then which seems to be still there in a lot of ways.
Joe Brolly would be interesting doesn't mean it should happen.
Oisin & Tony Mc have limited experience and no proven success at intercounty level.
Not saying it would be a failure. But would be a huge gamble.
I agree with some other posters that there doesn't appear to be many credible candidates out there to take over. Some of the names mentioned in one post was pie in the sky.
Something I had thought about. Would people be happy if Donaghy stepped up and brought in his own backroom team to work with him?
I think the opinion that a manager gets to decide whether or not he stays or goes himself is a very dangerous precedent to set. Doesnt matter if you are a manager of a sports team or a business or of anything else, you have to be held accountable by someone. I personally think its time for a change but also respect others opinions that it is not, but to say a manager, in any walk of life should make his own decision is crazy in my opinion.
I really liked Donaghy when he first came in. You could see a freshness to our play and an attacking style in the early games. That slowly disappeared last year and we retreated back to our cage as the year wore on and the big games came.
It was clear to see that this year there has been a total change and we have become very cagey to our detriment.
The more you think about it - relegation and a poor AI series (with massive dose of luck to beat WM & to finish top) then defeat to Monaghan - it just hasn't worked at all.
It's hard to know how much of a say he has had to our style overall, or more importantly, can he change it up when needed and make the big calls and plays when in the melting pot or last phases of a big game.