Geezersleftfoot
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Rian is on video striking. That’s why he is banned
Allianz Football League 2022 Division 1
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MrMaguire2002
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Yes his appeal is next week.
Both joint captains, an ex captain and a starting midefielder.
Donegal picked their targets. McFadden-Ferry and a pensioner Rian kicked 9 points against in the Ulster Club championship.
Besides the relevence of players - no parity whatsoever. On watching the video not one Donegal man is picked out? It's lunacy.
Regardless of how many Armagh people view them as stupid to get involved etc it's a disgrace. It was bad to begin with but losing Rian O'Neill is a 10 point swing.
We can all talk about how unfair the CCC have been and they have been horrendous. But one thing for sure is I think no less of Tyrone (even the Tyrone team of 2003) than I do of Donegal. And to think the crowd cheered McGee for his cameo shows the support are as bad as the filth on the pitch.
Peter grimes
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The words “after” and “because of” do not mean the same thing. It’s the causation vs correlation thing
Peter grimes
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Pat you are better than this.
The original bans were only those arising from the referee’s report. Rian’s actions were captured on camera but not seen by the officials. The camera footage wasn’t looked at until Friday.
You should have a difficulty with some of our appealing. After all we appeal Mackin’s suspension even though we know he is guilty.
Rian’s punishment is to do with his actions. His actions involved swinging an arm. Camera caught it.
Calm down everyone.
Some of the stuff on here would be embarrassing at primary school level
MrMaguire2002
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PatMustard
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MrMaguire2002
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It's very fair to think that as that is what the media is telling us.
Armagh_paul
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We might be without some key players that combined are worth about 10 points a game but this is a time for other players to shine. We cannot have any qualms about O'Neill, we all know he struck someone and is rightfully suspended for the game - it isn't nice but those are the rules. However, we still have the depth to cover the loses I would prefer to have Mackin back, but again it is an area with cover.
Despite losing a few influential players we still have to curb the influence of Murphy and McBreaty - that is our defences key job and it is something we have been unable to do for the last few meetings against them.
This is an opportunity to see what this team is made of. Those that have not been in the first team this league campaign due to injury or who have fallen out of favour have the opportunity to step up and show McGeeney what they are about. I really hope we do not fall apart like we have in past championship encounters with Donegal, this is a team we must beat to show what progress has been made - even without key players. We cannot rely on Rian all the time, there are going to be plenty of games where we will have to cope without him.
Despite losing a few influential players we still have to curb the influence of Murphy and McBreaty - that is our defences key job and it is something we have been unable to do for the last few meetings against them.
This is an opportunity to see what this team is made of. Those that have not been in the first team this league campaign due to injury or who have fallen out of favour have the opportunity to step up and show McGeeney what they are about. I really hope we do not fall apart like we have in past championship encounters with Donegal, this is a team we must beat to show what progress has been made - even without key players. We cannot rely on Rian all the time, there are going to be plenty of games where we will have to cope without him.
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pablo
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What was the source of the video evidence? I understand first set of rulings based on ref report-but the second from the CCC based on video evidence? Do games have official video footage/recordings that are looked at properly to get some type of context for an action and events leading up it-as in Rugby? is there a clear official recording of the whole 'melee' that shows how it developed, everyone who was involved and how it progressed? Or did the CCC look at a few seconds of mobile phone footage? If that is the case, then amateur hour. Such footage obtained from phone/social media is selective in nature, depending on the intent and interest of the person recording, only going to capture a fraction of what happened and focusing on a particular group of players or an individual-no sense of overall context. The inconsistency and amateur application of these processes.....
pablo
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I think a big step up needed from Murnin. Will be main target man in forward line now. Thought he was bullied a bit in Letterkenny but has a big game in him. Turbo also. Oisin is a great talent and should normally be automatic starter, but Ballybofey is an intense and pressured situation to be coming back after some time out from injury. Lot of work to do and we could do without the distractions
gael_force_orchard
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All in all, its gonna be a lot sweeter going to Ballybofey and beating them whilst we are missing players. Hon the Orchard
gael_force_orchard
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Theres a couple of forwards who havent been talked about a lot that could be a surprise element, J Kierans kicked points for fun in Division 1 club football last year and could potentially be in line for game time should injuries and suspensions not clear. Cian McConville could be a surprise package. Yes intercounty is different, but Donegal will know next to nothing about some of the players we may have in reserve, so lets ambush them with an element of surprise.
Armaghball
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2 really good lads from what I’ve seen of them but would be a huge ask for them to start vs Donegal.
Armagh_paul
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If we want to get to that Ulster final they are going to have to learn to deal with the pressure. This is county football. The only concerns I would have is that Donegal will be at the dark arts again and they will not be experienced with dealing with the pushing, pulling, taking their legs out etc and they might over react and leave us limited.
JoeH
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Dublin Kerry was a lot more than jersey pulling - headlocks, striking, throwing etc it's no worse than any other altercation.
Make no mistake this all smells that Armagh are being victimised and without knowing people involved in most organisations the higher up the tree the smellier it gets.
jpowell100
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How did they pick one Armagh player from all of the video evidence and no Donegal players? That’s what gets me, they were every bit as guilty as we were and we have 4 banned compared to their 2
Armagh_paul
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Donegal have one or two key players but we have key players across the pitch. Whilst O'Neill is important in the forwards we still have Grugan who is a massive influence.
Forker was undoubtedly targeted, they are certainly worried about him playing. Their goalkeeper that was going around starting on every Armagh player in sight. I have watched the footage again, he went out of his way to start something with Forker and Forker laughed at him.
On a side note, what would happen if the integrity of the referee's report was shown to be questionable?
Forker was undoubtedly targeted, they are certainly worried about him playing. Their goalkeeper that was going around starting on every Armagh player in sight. I have watched the footage again, he went out of his way to start something with Forker and Forker laughed at him.
On a side note, what would happen if the integrity of the referee's report was shown to be questionable?
Peter grimes
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I am not involved so I don’t know this for absolute fact but I would guess that the video evidence is the single tv camera on the half way line. It was running all the time but it only can point in one direction at a time. There is your evidence and if the camera didn’t see it and the officials didn’t see it then it as far as disciplinary action goes it didn’t happen. That’s life. No point whingeing like children.
No point getting excited about mobile phone footage etc
If I saw this amount of yapping from another county I would feel sorry for them.
I would still appeal the Rian ban though as the evidence is borderline. Probably the wrong end of that line but near enough
ragingbull
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It's not like you to be angry
Peter grimes
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Want to explain that one?