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gael_force_orchard

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Simply put, Kerry are a better team than us at the minute, yet our forwards didn't really perform and I felt we left a potential result behind us with some very very poor handling errors and bad finishing that ultimately cost us. Its a good learning curve and we are begrudging losing by 3 points to both Kerry and Mayo. We likely should have held our nerve and beaten Mayo.

We have played the league without Oisin O Neill and we have missed players like Nugent, Turbitt, Burns etc at various points so there are reasons to be optimistic also.

Campbell is a better finisher than starter and every top team needs a player of his calibre to come off the bench. Grimely also made a massive difference when coming off the bench yet I still think that Crealey and Mackin have warranted enough to start in the championship.

Frustration in Armagh football and our results is nothing new. The big difference is that this year we are frustrated losing a 3 point lead against a seasoned Mayo team or a lack of composure in the last 15 mins when we have had chances against Kerry. We have cut out silly needless fouls which was a serious flaw in our team. So we have made progress, yes other teams may have regressed, but 2 years ago we all remember what happened against Westmesth, and sligo in the years before that.

Lets see it for what it is, things looking up and a system of play that now suits us and a bit of talent shining through.

We have no need to be in a league final. The championship is more important. I dont mind what the result is in letterkenny and to be honest id not give much away. Come championship though id like to see something like this,

Rafferty

Burns
Forker
Mc Cabe

Morgan/McKay
Rowland
J Og Burns

Mackin
Crealey

Nugent
O o Neill
Kelly

Grugan
R o Neill
Duffy

I still think Duffy has enough about him as a forward to warrant a start. I think O O Neill if fit offers the same work rate as hall but a lot more end product and a better focal point and passer of the ball. Some big names will miss out, Campbell, Grimely, Murnin etc. But it leaves us with a strong bench. Patrick Burns may also miss out with both McKay and Morgan starting.

The Donegal league game is now shadow boxing, the real game is in the championship. Clear up injuries and any covid and go at them in Ballybofey
 
Armaghniac

Armaghniac

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Muckser said:
Never said to charge them just ticket em. Its a disaster waiting to happen without it. Wait till Dublin visit next year
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I suspect that these large crowds are slightly unexpected, after Covid it was not quite clear that people would have the enthusiasm to come back. If you take yesterday's game then it was streamed live on TG4 so these people could have stayed at home, even if they were interested. Did we ever have such a crowd in a league game even in Armagh's heyday 20 years ago, considering there were few visiting fans?
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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Geezersleftfoot said:
This is what I thought but the guys in front of me said it only has to go from outside to inside the 45. Stupid rule
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Yeah your right. It would make no sense as theoretically the ball would only have to travel a few centimetres if it wasn't clarified. The actual wording on the GAA website is "

“The Mark” - Applicable 1 January 2017

The advanced mark rule was introduced in Gaelic football at the start of 2017 updated in 2020. A forward is given a 'mark' when catching a 20-metre kick pass which crosses the 45 line. This also applies if a defender catches the ball under similar conditions. The rule was brought in with the intention of encouraging long-passing and high-fielding.​

Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’, the Referee shall allow up to five seconds (updated to 15 seconds in 2020) for the player to take the kick. If the player delays longer than five seconds (updated to 15 seconds in 2020), the Referee shall cancel the ‘Mark’ and throw in the ball between a player from each side.

Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’, the opposing players must retreat 10m to allow the player space to take the kick. If an opposing player deliberately blocks or attempts to block the kick within 10m (13m in 2020), or if an opposing player impedes the player while he is taking the kick, the Referee shall penalise the opposing team by bringing the ball forward 13m.​

In order to be awarded a “Mark”, the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player.



I have left a few uninteresting bits out which is just their usual saying the same thing in 3 different ways, but it is there if you search it.
 
pablo

pablo

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Not much to add to what has already been said in a number of excellent posts. Kerry are simply ahead of us-they best team in the country and stand outs for the All Ireland. Got the impression Kerry were well up for this game and wanted to lay down a marker. Took us some time to step up to the tempo and pitch of playing against this team. But we were competitive and they had to work hard for it, looking fairly relieved at the final whistle. Always has been a cynical side to Kerry, and that aspect to them now amplified up to 11 by the dual presence of Jack O'Connor (who seems to be the go to person when the powers that be in the kingdom decide its time for an All Ireland by any means necessary), and Paddy Tally bringing in some Tyrone like attributes to their defensive game.
But these are the kind of games this team needs and if prepared to take on board some of the lessons learnt, we have much more to gain from last Sunday than Kerry. At this moment, they are better than us and almost everyone else, but we are still not the finished article and will still get better if experiences like this are absorbed wisely. If so, we will be well in the mix and scared of nobody.
 
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POINTMAN

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gael_force_orchard said:
Simply put, Kerry are a better team than us at the minute, yet our forwards didn't really perform and I felt we left a potential result behind us with some very very poor handling errors and bad finishing that ultimately cost us. Its a good learning curve and we are begrudging losing by 3 points to both Kerry and Mayo. We likely should have held our nerve and beaten Mayo.

We have played the league without Oisin O Neill and we have missed players like Nugent, Turbitt, Burns etc at various points so there are reasons to be optimistic also.

Campbell is a better finisher than starter and every top team needs a player of his calibre to come off the bench. Grimely also made a massive difference when coming off the bench yet I still think that Crealey and Mackin have warranted enough to start in the championship.

Frustration in Armagh football and our results is nothing new. The big difference is that this year we are frustrated losing a 3 point lead against a seasoned Mayo team or a lack of composure in the last 15 mins when we have had chances against Kerry. We have cut out silly needless fouls which was a serious flaw in our team. So we have made progress, yes other teams may have regressed, but 2 years ago we all remember what happened against Westmesth, and sligo in the years before that.

Lets see it for what it is, things looking up and a system of play that now suits us and a bit of talent shining through.

We have no need to be in a league final. The championship is more important. I dont mind what the result is in letterkenny and to be honest id not give much away. Come championship though id like to see something like this,

Rafferty

Burns
Forker
Mc Cabe

Morgan/McKay
Rowland
J Og Burns

Mackin
Crealey

Nugent
O o Neill
Kelly

Grugan
R o Neill
Duffy

I still think Duffy has enough about him as a forward to warrant a start. I think O O Neill if fit offers the same work rate as hall but a lot more end product and a better focal point and passer of the ball. Some big names will miss out, Campbell, Grimely, Murnin etc. But it leaves us with a strong bench. Patrick Burns may also miss out with both McKay and Morgan starting.

The Donegal league game is now shadow boxing, the real game is in the championship. Clear up injuries and any covid and go at them in Ballybofey
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Good team that - but I would have Oisin in midfield with Mackin, Greg and in half forwards and Turbitt in the full forward line. McKay over Burns for me in the full back line too. That leaves good subs with Soupy, Grimley, other Mackin, Crealey, maybe even McQuillan if fit by then?
 
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gael_force_orchard

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Do we have anything to gain from a league final by playing a full strength team in Letterkenny? We still need Mayo to lose or draw as head to head rule applies. Yes the league final is an extra game, but do we really want to show our hand at this stage to Donegal and risk injuries. They will go all out for a win and will likely have to show their hand on Sunday. We could learn a lot by holding a little back. Any word on the injuries in the squad clearing up?
 
JoeH

JoeH

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gael_force_orchard said:
Do we have anything to gain from a league final by playing a full strength team in Letterkenny? We still need Mayo to lose or draw as head to head rule applies. Yes the league final is an extra game, but do we really want to show our hand at this stage to Donegal and risk injuries. They will go all out for a win and will likely have to show their hand on Sunday. We could learn a lot by holding a little back. Any word on the injuries in the squad clearing up?
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I don't really get this"show your hand"

We've played 6 league games and you can see how the team plays and the strength of our bench.
Keep winning as we all to well know what its like to be looking for a win
 
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Kem

Active Member
William Of Orange said:
FOTzyDzXEAMZYzL
At least it was good for the Kids he came
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Kem

Active Member
Don't want to be a pessimist but on the wide open spaces of Croker a full strength Kerry might, on a bad day, give us a morale sapping defeat just before the championship.
 
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M18

Active Member
Have mayo any interest in beating Kildare?
They rested a lot for Tyrone and seem content to have stayed in Div 1
I think as one poster suggested that Armagh and mayo lose and Armagh might still be in league final by score diff

Great improvement from recent seasons with one league game to go
 
Optiman

Optiman

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Some very good posts. I rarely post but feel obliged to do so on this occasion. We were beaten by a better team on Sunday past in every area of the pitch and must learn from the experience. We have the talent at the moment to do so and we have the expertise on the sideline to get the best out of this group of players.
We need to believe that we can do it this year and begin preparations right now. No more negative thinking! We can do it this year in the championship. our talent is the best we've had for many years and, with more preparation and self-belief we can do it. Armagh abú
 
PatMustard

PatMustard

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gael_force_orchard said:
Do we have anything to gain from a league final by playing a full strength team in Letterkenny? We still need Mayo to lose or draw as head to head rule applies. Yes the league final is an extra game, but do we really want to show our hand at this stage to Donegal and risk injuries. They will go all out for a win and will likely have to show their hand on Sunday. We could learn a lot by holding a little back. Any word on the injuries in the squad clearing up?
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Confidence that winning brings, fine-tuning our game, preparing us for championship intensity?

The lads will likely be going full tilt in training anyway, so I’d rather have an extra game against quality opposition than one or two training sessions. Injuries could occur taking the dog for a walk or lifting the shopping out of the boot. Winning and good performances breeds confidence, so let’s go to Donegal and just go for it.
 
Ard Mhacha 13

Ard Mhacha 13

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Kem said:
Don't want to be a pessimist but on the wide open spaces of Croker a full strength Kerry might, on a bad day, give us a morale sapping defeat just before the championship.
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I on the other hand wonder if the wide open spaces of Croker might suit us better against Kerry? Personally I'd love another trip to HQ especially for a chance to win silverware & maybe the boys would relish another crack at the best team in the country. I'll try & be the optimist to your pessimist :)
 
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Jungle_King

Member
Personally I would love to go to a league final . Playing game’s against the best is better than 10 training sessions . The more these young lads play at croke park the better. By all means throw a few curve balls in against Donegal this weekend but still give them somthing to think about ahead of championship.
 
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Geezersleftfoot

Active Member
Big Jim said:
Yeah your right. It would make no sense as theoretically the ball would only have to travel a few centimetres if it wasn't clarified. The actual wording on the GAA website is "

“The Mark” - Applicable 1 January 2017

The advanced mark rule was introduced in Gaelic football at the start of 2017 updated in 2020. A forward is given a 'mark' when catching a 20-metre kick pass which crosses the 45 line. This also applies if a defender catches the ball under similar conditions. The rule was brought in with the intention of encouraging long-passing and high-fielding.​

Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’, the Referee shall allow up to five seconds (updated to 15 seconds in 2020) for the player to take the kick. If the player delays longer than five seconds (updated to 15 seconds in 2020), the Referee shall cancel the ‘Mark’ and throw in the ball between a player from each side.

Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’, the opposing players must retreat 10m to allow the player space to take the kick. If an opposing player deliberately blocks or attempts to block the kick within 10m (13m in 2020), or if an opposing player impedes the player while he is taking the kick, the Referee shall penalise the opposing team by bringing the ball forward 13m.​

In order to be awarded a “Mark”, the ball must not have been touched in flight by another player.



I have left a few uninteresting bits out which is just their usual saying the same thing in 3 different ways, but it is there if you search it.
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They never should have been given that mark which was moved up then. Refs need to be taken to account for poor decisions like this
 
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MrMaguire2002

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The game was in general hard to take too much away from. Armagh seemed to try and work the ball for a goal in the first half when point chances were there. Matched Kerry in the second half.

I really like Jarly Og at 7. Great decision. Paddy Burns if fit will start in Ballybofey whether one rates hi or not. Wouldn't have McCabe at 2. Has to be on the HB line and I don't see any reason why he can't be at 6. Conor O'Neill is definitely another that could play 5 or 6.

In terms of the O'Neill brothers it is worrying at this stage that Oisin isn't available. Can he walk back on to the team? He would certainly be a massive player to have on the bench as would Soupy. Great impact again from Campbell.

Rian O'Neill needs to play further out the field. He loves to dictate the play. He can orchestrate the game from further out rather than rely on service. His mark the other day was excellent and he'll not be too pleased with his mate Duffy not hitting the onion bag after setting him up. But he's Armagh's best player and despite doing so well against Dublin and Tyrone up top he is best playing on the half forward line. I think he is wasted in the FF line as he is so important out the field. All we have to do is look at his performance against Monaghan last year. One of the best performances I've seen by an Armagh player in 30 years of watching them. And we still lost due to the unforgettable 4 goals.

Nugent will obviously come back in. A class act.

Like Oisin O'Neill I hope Turbitt is fit to make it. For me if fit he starts. Jemar gives it everything every time he puts the jersey on. He is limited though and not always effective. I'd play Nugent at 10 Rian O'Neill at 11 and either Jemar or Tiernan Kelly at 12. I'd actually be tempted to play Ross McQuillan on the half forward line but not sure if he is available.

I'm struggling to name the 15 I'd like to see play in the championship but something like below (a few undecided) but 21 all with a serious chance of starting and Connaire Mackin would come in to the mix too.


1. B. Hughes/ E. Rafferty

2. P. Burns
3. A. Forker
4. J. Morgan

5. C. O'Neill/ A. McKay
6. G. McCabe
7. J Og Burns

8. C. Mackin
9. B. Crealey/ O. O'Neill

10. A. Nugent
11. R. O'Neill
12. R. McQuillan/J. Hall/ T. Kelly

13. R. Grugan
14. C. Turbitt/ A. Murnin
15. J. Duffy
 
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