Ard Mhacha 13
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& If they stuck their hands in a fire would you do that too?
Is it time for change?
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& If they stuck their hands in a fire would you do that too?
Ard Mhacha 13
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I'd like to think they'd also factor in what the players want & by that I mean those clubs who have players on the squad, surely their opinion must count for something!
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Ard Mhacha 13
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I'd imagine there are a few unhappy Armagh "supporters" on here after reading this news. However thoughts must go out to the sign writer from South Armagh, no doubt a darkened room beckons plus he'll have to ask Santa for something else this year.
Bringyourboots
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John maybe.....
Bringyourboots
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Kieran McGeeney has the support of the players to continue as Armagh boss: Stephen Sheridan
STEPHEN Sheridan may be unsure of his own inter-county future with Armagh – but has given emphatic backing to his manager Kieran McGeeney to remain in charge next season.
GeorgeTowntoNewtown
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Might do to be fair
Ard Mhacha 13
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Says it all really!
GeorgeTowntoNewtown
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It sure does.
As well as jumping off cliffs, putting my hand in fires and anything else creative you may be able to compare my willingness to follow to, I like to base my opinions on a wide variety of sources.
Like I always say, I'm a new fan and always happy to listen to the opinions of the people who have been supporting Armagh for all their lives - they help me form my own opinions as I don't have the experience they have. During my trip, I was able to speak with many different walks of life in Armagh about the state of affairs, from a local barman barely 20 years old to a veteran who has coached at the most successful club in Armagh. Of all the people I spoke to not one is in favor of McGeeney continuing. It's clearly time for a change.
I'm also happy to take your opinion into consideration but it's looking like you're in the minority.
I think all this criticism and negativity around KMcG is harsh enough. I would say be careful what you wish for, there’s nobody exactly knocking down the door that would come in and do a better job. If a new manager comes in now it’s a rebuilding process so not something that will change overnight and it isn’t exactly a squad blessed with youth. I think he has done a good job with the players he has at his disposal, losing 3 massive championship games on penalties against top sides. There isn’t a whole lot of success at underage level where there’s 4-5 good players coming through every few years. Had grugan kicked the mark in Clones Armagh would be ulster champions and KMcG would be the hero. Fine margins.
ShiftYa
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If it’s a rebuilding job for any new manager how is it any different for McGeeney?
And if this squad is at rebuilding stage is he really the man to do it, he’s had a decade to build a team and he still hasn’t won any silverware.
Ard Mhacha 13
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Did your trip manage to take you beyond South Armagh?
It’s very different
It’s very different McGeeney staying on and a new manager coming in. McGeeney knows his players, knows their individual strengths and weaknesses, can get match ups right going in to games. A new manager coming in starts from scratch and that’s what I mean by rebuilding, might blood some new lads, some of the older lads might call it a day, has to sort out different tactics and game plans. There’s a lot of change. During that transition period if things aren’t going well the same boys here will be calling for that managers head too. Fans want a short term fix, they want a new manager that comes in and wins ulster in 2024 and gets to an All Ireland final. I don’t see it happening. I would just say be careful what you wish for to all the ones looking rid of him. Things can go south very quickly and then you are left saying Jesus McGeeney was maybe better than we gave him credit for.
ShiftYa
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but 3 of the last 4 All Irelands were won by management teams with their first year with their team.
Our one and only success was won with a fresh management team. So I can’t stomach that argument one bit.
I hope whoever is in charge next year whether it be McGeeney or not bloods new lads because there was a few lads didn’t get a fair shot this year.
As for the tactics point you can hardly argue that’s a strength of his?
He has a decade long track record of not getting over the line, if it was ANYONE else they’d be gone 7 years ago.
Peter McDonald won an Ulster and still was turfed out, McGeeneys won noting and yet some are begging for him to stay.
I have a feeling that it will be a landslide vote in McGeeneys favour on Monday. The players are all behind him and will encourage their delegates to vote for another year. I like many other posters here have fears that it will be more of the same negative tactics that were displayed this year and another year wasted with a talented bunch. We were however a kick of a ball away from an Ulster title and a kick of a ball away from an AI semi final but that is just Armagh's luck and always has been. A new man could possibly change that luck, we won't find out if we don't try it.
Armagh_paul
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I don't think this is a basis for a manager continuing on.
I think most on here are aware of being careful what we should wish for. It is why I am reluctant to have McGeeney step down but the supposed talent we have on the panel isn't forever and he has had 10 years with Armagh - there comes a time where the two have to part ways, it shouldn't be his decision alone either. That being said, I would not be closed off to the idea of him returning in the future - Kerry have got rid of managers and had them return. In fact, I think leaving Armagh would give McGeeney a fresh perspective on the team. When you are too close to some or in this case a team you don't see the forest for the trees so to speak.
McGeeney certainly deserves the credit and when it comes to his potential exit it should be an acrimonious exit and not one where bridges are burned. McGeeney definitely has his shortcomings as most managers will have - but when do we say enough is enough? I wanted Donaghy on board with managements before he arrived and think he should still be there. However, it would be very useful to our cause if he brought in a high profile defender/coach. If he was retained as manager himself, Donaghy and someone else (I have suggest Philly McMahon in the past) then things will get very serious for us in the coming year. In order to play today's game you need to recruit players who are exiting the modern game. The level of professionalism shown in 2002 is not the same as it is now - hence McMahon and his record as a player.
gael_force_orchard
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Look at this stage Kieran has asked for another year and it looks as if he will be ratified for another year.
We have been through the pros and cons to the nth degree now. I do feel that the backroom team needs freshening up though and maybe ultimately that's where the compromise lays for next season. A new voice is needed on the line to give balance between our true capability and what is delivered on the pitch. All out defence doesn't suit us even though it is a numbers game now. All out attack leaves us exposed as well.
Balance on the sideline has likely been missing in the last couple of seasons and maybe a calming strategic voice on the sideline could see the best of both worlds and bring this team and it's supporters together for one final push.
The final point is that maybe this teams ceiling is an all Ireland quarter final and if that's the case then so be it. Won't have too long to wait. We will know the ramifications of any decisions by Feb next year.
We have been through the pros and cons to the nth degree now. I do feel that the backroom team needs freshening up though and maybe ultimately that's where the compromise lays for next season. A new voice is needed on the line to give balance between our true capability and what is delivered on the pitch. All out defence doesn't suit us even though it is a numbers game now. All out attack leaves us exposed as well.
Balance on the sideline has likely been missing in the last couple of seasons and maybe a calming strategic voice on the sideline could see the best of both worlds and bring this team and it's supporters together for one final push.
The final point is that maybe this teams ceiling is an all Ireland quarter final and if that's the case then so be it. Won't have too long to wait. We will know the ramifications of any decisions by Feb next year.
Donaghy won't be there next year
I think it will be closer than some think with the club vote, speaking face to face to people round my own club very few believe he should get more time amd some of those are on the committee, i would imagine most clubs would have a lot of people on both sides. Wont be shocked by the result either way it goes to be honest.