Is it time for change?

[JoeH]

Derry always had the players just not the structure at county board or team level

They sorted that out and are competing at a level their schools and club competitions suggest

 

[ragingbull]

Derry always had the players just not the structure at county board or team level

They sorted that out and are competing at a level their schools and club competitions suggest

I disagree that they've always had the players plus Slaughtneil & Glen ain't good enough to win club All Irelands

 

[Diarmi]

I haven't posted in a long time because, like many others, have been so disheartened by the majority of Armagh's performances this year. I thought (foolishly) after the Galway game that the penny had finally dropped but then Turbo was dropped for the Monaghan game and the rest was inevitable.
You can go right back to the McKenna Cup to see that this management team is clueless. I said it back then and was told it wouldn't be remembered come the league but look what unfolded since. A very poor league ending in relegation followed by a very uninspiring championship ending in defeat to Monaghan.
I looked back over numerous posts after different games and the trend is always the same. Anyone daring to criticise the management were lambasted and told they weren't real supporters. We had everything from "it's only the McKenna Cip" to "I wouldn't care if we were relegated" to one poster even suggesting that so long as Geezer kept bringing in the money that he would be happy, you remember that Jim?
Some claimed he inherited a poor team and did well to bring them to where we are now. Such bullshit and very disrespectful of that team. He took us to div 3 twice and it took him two years to get out of it at one time. When he became manager we were after getting beaten by 1 point in the quarter final. He had a all Ireland minor winning team, Cross were still strong having just won all Irelands in 2007, 2011 and 2012. He has never beaten a team outside div 3 in the Ulster Championship and in 15 years of senior county management he has got to two provincial finals, winning zero of them. But maybe he is just unlucky.....
Nearly every national pundit can not understand why we played the way we did this year considering the attacking talent we had at our disposal. But then again we are told by some posters on here that this is not the case and that in fact we just don't have the players.
At what point do the people currently supporting Geezer think we should change? Division 3 or maybe wait until division 4?
No doubt we will have the usual suspects coming out to attack me, par for the course and part of the reason I haven't posted in months but I don't care at this stage. The strange thing for me is I have yet to speak to someone in the real world who backs him yet we see many on here who do and quite vociferously, makes you wonder really. Usually at this time of year I can't wait to watch Armagh again but I honestly have no interest in going to watch that utter shit show that was served up time and again this year.
It is time for change, time to get a decent manager who can get the most from this very talented group of players. Those who ask who would want it are delusional, Armagh are the one team in the country that any manager would want because they are performing so far below their potential. Enough excuses, make the change.

 

[Ed Ricketts]

Pretty frustrated post there, mad how this stuff gets at you even weeks down the line.

Some stuff in the post I'd take issue with, other stuff probably valid enough. I think that's our reality at the minute - there are good and fair points to be made of both criticism and support. I'd be wary of swallowing the opinion of anyone coming down too strongly one way or the other.

Everything I've been hearing in the last couple of week from those around the team seems to suggest that there is little appetite for managerial change. I've heard it said that the group feel that they are closer than ever to making a breakthrough, and that it would be counter-productive to introduce such upheaval at this juncture.

I can understand that, especially as many involved are on their last legs anyway. I also suspect the competitiveness of both Monaghan and Derry in their semi-final appearances has given food for thought. There must be a lot of mixed emotion - regret and inspiration.

The management will stay in place for 2024, perhaps with some adjustments around the edges. Hopefully we can all get on board with that by the time the league rolls round. There's one last push in this current group, and with a fair wind we won't be far away.

 

[niall1980]

I haven't posted in a long time because, like many others, have been so disheartened by the majority of Armagh's performances this year. I thought (foolishly) after the Galway game that the penny had finally dropped but then Turbo was dropped for the Monaghan game and the rest was inevitable.
You can go right back to the McKenna Cup to see that this management team is clueless. I said it back then and was told it wouldn't be remembered come the league but look what unfolded since. A very poor league ending in relegation followed by a very uninspiring championship ending in defeat to Monaghan.
I looked back over numerous posts after different games and the trend is always the same. Anyone daring to criticise the management were lambasted and told they weren't real supporters. We had everything from "it's only the McKenna Cip" to "I wouldn't care if we were relegated" to one poster even suggesting that so long as Geezer kept bringing in the money that he would be happy, you remember that Jim?
Some claimed he inherited a poor team and did well to bring them to where we are now. Such bullshit and very disrespectful of that team. He took us to div 3 twice and it took him two years to get out of it at one time. When he became manager we were after getting beaten by 1 point in the quarter final. He had a all Ireland minor winning team, Cross were still strong having just won all Irelands in 2007, 2011 and 2012. He has never beaten a team outside div 3 in the Ulster Championship and in 15 years of senior county management he has got to two provincial finals, winning zero of them. But maybe he is just unlucky.....
Nearly every national pundit can not understand why we played the way we did this year considering the attacking talent we had at our disposal. But then again we are told by some posters on here that this is not the case and that in fact we just don't have the players.
At what point do the people currently supporting Geezer think we should change? Division 3 or maybe wait until division 4?
No doubt we will have the usual suspects coming out to attack me, par for the course and part of the reason I haven't posted in months but I don't care at this stage. The strange thing for me is I have yet to speak to someone in the real world who backs him yet we see many on here who do and quite vociferously, makes you wonder really. Usually at this time of year I can't wait to watch Armagh again but I honestly have no interest in going to watch that utter shit show that was served up time and again this year.
It is time for change, time to get a decent manager who can get the most from this very talented group of players. Those who ask who would want it are delusional, Armagh are the one team in the country that any manager would want because they are performing so far below their potential. Enough excuses, make the change

I haven't posted in a long time because, like many others, have been so disheartened by the majority of Armagh's performances this year. I thought (foolishly) after the Galway game that the penny had finally dropped but then Turbo was dropped for the Monaghan game and the rest was inevitable.
You can go right back to the McKenna Cup to see that this management team is clueless. I said it back then and was told it wouldn't be remembered come the league but look what unfolded since. A very poor league ending in relegation followed by a very uninspiring championship ending in defeat to Monaghan.
I looked back over numerous posts after different games and the trend is always the same. Anyone daring to criticise the management were lambasted and told they weren't real supporters. We had everything from "it's only the McKenna Cip" to "I wouldn't care if we were relegated" to one poster even suggesting that so long as Geezer kept bringing in the money that he would be happy, you remember that Jim?
Some claimed he inherited a poor team and did well to bring them to where we are now. Such bullshit and very disrespectful of that team. He took us to div 3 twice and it took him two years to get out of it at one time. When he became manager we were after getting beaten by 1 point in the quarter final. He had a all Ireland minor winning team, Cross were still strong having just won all Irelands in 2007, 2011 and 2012. He has never beaten a team outside div 3 in the Ulster Championship and in 15 years of senior county management he has got to two provincial finals, winning zero of them. But maybe he is just unlucky.....
Nearly every national pundit can not understand why we played the way we did this year considering the attacking talent we had at our disposal. But then again we are told by some posters on here that this is not the case and that in fact we just don't have the players.
At what point do the people currently supporting Geezer think we should change? Division 3 or maybe wait until division 4?
No doubt we will have the usual suspects coming out to attack me, par for the course and part of the reason I haven't posted in months but I don't care at this stage. The strange thing for me is I have yet to speak to someone in the real world who backs him yet we see many on here who do and quite vociferously, makes you wonder really. Usually at this time of year I can't wait to watch Armagh again but I honestly have no interest in going to watch that utter shit show that was served up time and again this year.
It is time for change, time to get a decent manager who can get the most from this very talented group of players. Those who ask who would want it are delusional, Armagh are the one team in the country that any manager would want because they are performing so far below their potential. Enough excuses, make the change.

I guess people who post here don’t exist in the real world. What would you do differently to what geezer done this year? Say you get your wish and geezer goes, who replaces him. All very well to criticise, and that’s your right, but offer solutions

 

[Diarmi]

I guess people who post here don’t exist in the real world. What would you do differently to what geezer done this year? Say you get your wish and geezer goes, who replaces him. All very well to criticise, and that’s your right, but offer solutions

I guess people who post here don’t exist in the real world - It's like arguing with a 3 year old sometimes.

I'll ask you the same question, what would you do differently?

At what point do we relace him? Do we ever replace him?

This is the typically weak argument we are seeing from the Geezer gang, is he the only manager in Ireland.

 

[gael_force_orchard]

Personally think if there was going to be a change of manager then there would have been some smoke by now. Think we will see McGeeney back at the helm next season, albeit with the backroom team shook up a bit. Murmurings that Donaghy has stepped away this evening.

 

[Armaghball]

Personally think if there was going to be a change of manager then there would have been some smoke by now. Think we will see McGeeney back at the helm next season, albeit with the backroom team shook up a bit. Murmurings that Donaghy has stepped away this evening.

Thats a real shame

 

[thehighballinlow]

Think that people on here saying that armagh are coming to end are wrong.

Look at monaghan best player all season o connell (35-36) then in an all ireland semi final mc manus stood up (35-36).

We dont have any players in this age bracket and with similar millage as these two.

Why would any they players think about retirement. If the manager was to change and players walk away you'd have to ask if they were playing for armagh or playing for mc geeney.

 

[Armaghball]

Think that people on here saying that armagh are coming to end are wrong.

Look at monaghan best player all season o connell (35-36) then in an all ireland semi final mc manus stood up (35-36).

We dont have any players in this age bracket and with similar millage as these two.

Why would any they players think about retirement. If the manager was to change and players walk away you'd have to ask if they were playing for armagh or playing for mc geeney.

Obviously affects different players in different ways, but looking at our older lads- Forker still huge part of the team but has had injury trouble.

Grugan has lost a bit of speed I think. Murnin hasn't played anywhere near as much football as he probably should have with injuries over the years, hopefully he can keep himself injury free for the foreseeable though. Morgan another experience player whos been plagued with injuries, Shields as well has had a couple of serious ones.

Plenty of football left in those lads, but we shouldn’t have them busting themselves in the McKenna cup and probably a fair bit of the league as well this year.

 

[niall1980]

I guess people who post here don’t exist in the real world - It's like arguing with a 3 year old sometimes.

I'll ask you the same question, what would you do differently?

At what point do we relace him? Do we ever replace him?

This is the typically weak argument we are seeing from the Geezer gang, is he the only manager in Ireland.

Your statement about the real world completely dismisses everyone on here as if they don’t exist in the real world.
Avoiding the questions I asked by throwing them back at me. Insults. Yes. It is like arguing with a three year old.
You offer no solutions to the issues you raise and won’t even try to answer questions. Typical from the anti Geezer gang.
Oh. And by the way. I think it is probably time for him to be moved on or to go himself. We are in the same position now as we were when he took over so it could be argued no progress has been made. I see Micky Graham is available - could be wrong - but I think he would be a good shout.
Like you my heart dropped when I heard the turbo change prior to the Monaghan match. That’s no disrespect to McIlroy but it just showed that we weren’t going to be positive or confident in our own game. We react to other teams too much instead of playing to our strengths and letting them worry about that. That’s what I would have done differently. Now, are you able to answer the questions?

 

[Armagh_paul]

Heard K Donaghy was next in line but thought that was BS when I heard it. Not possible for him going by his current commitments. Anyone for bringing in Philly McMahon?

 

[thecritic]

As the dust settles it's even more gutting that we lost to that Monaghan team. What a chance it was for us to get to a precious semi and we blew it once again and lost the tactical battle once again.
We simply need a proven tactician on the line who can make decisive decisions in big games and when close matches are in the melting pot.
The 3 Kieran's are all inspirational characters and great motivators but they are still unproven tactically.
I'd be going for a Mickey Graham or someone of that mould as a key piece to the jigsaw for next year.

 

[Gaamaniac]

Anyone hear any updates ?

 

[Big Jim]

As the dust settles it's even more gutting that we lost to that Monaghan team. What a chance it was for us to get to a precious semi and we blew it once again and lost the tactical battle once again.
We simply need a proven tactician on the line who can make decisive decisions in big games and when close matches are in the melting pot.
The 3 Kieran's are all inspirational characters and great motivators but they are still unproven tactically.
I'd be going for a Mickey Graham or someone of that mould as a key piece to the jigsaw for next year.

Agreed with the general idea of that (not Graham though) and I've said it before and I'll say it again maybe numerous times, Paul Grimley was the best tactician we ever had and could ever have. He helped Joe devise a strategy that did so well and then eventually found one for himself before being sidelined.

Shane McConville has proven he has ability to read games and so has Finnian Moriarity. Paul McShane I don't think ever got used at a senior level and again was successful.

We could look within for some small changes before looking outside the boundaries. We did try that before remember and can't say it was a glowing success. The grass being greener isn't always the correct shade

We can speculate all we want, but the decisions will never be made based on keyboard warriors on social media, no matter how much we believe we can influence - well maybe they would listen to @Ouch It’s Francie because he's trapped in midget land, @bcb1 because everyone feels sorry for any newly wed man and realises they'll never be happy again (trapped in loveless land) or maybe even @Rufus T Firefly because he's always captain sensible (trapped in ..............em, trapped in being trapped)

 

[John]

Apparently County Board meeting tonight. Not sure if management will even be discussed. If so it would be a very interesting conversation

 

[Armagh_paul]

Agreed with the general idea of that (not Graham though) and I've said it before and I'll say it again maybe numerous times, Paul Grimley was the best tactician we ever had and could ever have. He helped Joe devise a strategy that did so well and then eventually found one for himself before being sidelined.

Shane McConville has proven he has ability to read games and so has Finnian Moriarity. Paul McShane I don't think ever got used at a senior level and again was successful.

We could look within for some small changes before looking outside the boundaries. We did try that before remember and can't say it was a glowing success. The grass being greener isn't always the correct shade

We can speculate all we want, but the decisions will never be made based on keyboard warriors on social media, no matter how much we believe we can influence - well maybe they would listen to @Ouch It’s Francie because he's trapped in midget land, @bcb1 because everyone feels sorry for any newly wed man and realises they'll never be happy again (trapped in loveless land) or maybe even @Rufus T Firefly because he's always captain sensible (trapped in ..............em, trapped in being trapped)

The two that have a proven track record, always wondered what happened to McShane. Grimley is underrated and got is to a QF within 2 seasons. Kieran Donaghy was a good appointment and still is imo. Players respond to him, played good forward football, logic would say he wasn't to blame for the style of football we played. I think McKeever as a defence coach was never the right appointment for us.

Can I ask, I don't see anyone mention him on here but is McGeeney frequently spotted at club games?

 

[gael_force_orchard]

Realistically there are only 3 managers in Armagh who have won all Ireland silverware. Paul mc Shane with the minors, Peter Rafferty with the under 21s and Joe Kernan with the seniors. I'm not suggesting putting them in charge. I'm just saying successful county managers in Armagh are few and far between.

On the club scene a few Crossmaglen all Ireland's at club level but really only 2 or 3 people you would be looking at.

There will be a change in the backroom team for certain this year coming I think. I also think the net will have to be cast wider than our own county. I would look at the coaches and managers who have won a senior club all Ireland from 2010 to now, and look at the coaches involved with Kerry, Dublin and other successfull counties from 2010 to now and see if there is a solid voice that stands out.

For what it's worth, I think McGeeney will be manager next season, so I think the real question is who we bring in to give it a fresh perspective.

 

[Mickey Gormley]

Thats a real shame

Conleith Gilligan heard his name mentioned

 

[Gaamaniac]

Hearing clubs will decide management for next year