Is it time to consider new management?

[JoeH]

Yes I can.

As far as not printing the name, it’s not uncommon for that to happen on letters pages if a name and address is supplied to the editor. There’s the debate, should it have been made into a story. In my opinion definitely not.

However, as I say, I can guarantee you the Irish News did not approach a former player to write a letter.

Loads of issues with that article

It's anonymity is exceptionally poor journalism
Was the alleged author authenticated?
How can you guarantee the player wasn't approached unless the same letter arrived at other media outlets which would mean you are party to the name.
This person seems to have attacked individuals and every club in the county
Is there more?
If the author wants the job go to the Athletic Grounds and present their credentials to the entire county board
It now means that all former county players could be the alleged author - more than likely it's either someone who has played with or was managed by Kieran

A poor article which perhaps reflects the standard of person
I do believe the article would have had more kudos if a name was assigned to it.
If a name comes forward now all credibility is gone.

 

[niall1980]

Yes I can.

As far as not printing the name, it’s not uncommon for that to happen on letters pages if a name and address is supplied to the editor. There’s the debate, should it have been made into a story. In my opinion definitely not.

However, as I say, I can guarantee you the Irish News did not approach a former player to write a letter.

And if it appeared on a letters page then there wouldn’t be this doscussion. I don’t wanna talk about professionalism, I’m not a journalist so I don’t about, but it does seem wrong the way they have gone about this

 

[Rufus T Firefly]

Well it all comes down to do you think this particular newspaper would fabricate a source of not.

Given the recent suspicions of late that the Russians may be melding in the appointment of important positions such as that of the White House, is it possible they’ve went one step further in an attempt to influence the appointment of the Armagh senior manager? And this letter was ordered to be fabricated and sent to the IN by Putin himself?

Please - help me understand if you would your references to the story being fabricated, in your reply to me?

 

[niall1980]

Please - help me understand if you would your references to the story being fabricated, in your reply to me?

It’s a joke I reckon. A very bad one at that

 

[McCoyDromintee]

Loads of issues with that article

It's anonymity is exceptionally poor journalism
Was the alleged author authenticated?
How can you guarantee the player wasn't approached unless the same letter arrived at other media outlets which would mean you are party to the name.
This person seems to have attacked individuals and every club in the county
Is there more?
If the author wants the job go to the Athletic Grounds and present their credentials to the entire county board
It now means that all former county players could be the alleged author - more than likely it's either someone who has played with or was managed by Kieran

A poor article which perhaps reflects the standard of person
I do believe the article would have had more kudos if a name was assigned to it.
If a name comes forward now all credibility is gone.

The name would have been supplied or else it wouldn’t have ran.

I know the process, the people involved and worked in Irish News for years. There is absolutely zero chance someone was approached to write that.

As I say, the debate should surround whether or not it should have ran as a story. And, again, I don’t think it should have.

 

[McCoyDromintee]

And if it appeared on a letters page then there wouldn’t be this doscussion. I don’t wanna talk about professionalism, I’m not a journalist so I don’t about, but it does seem wrong the way they have gone about this

Agree.

 

[Big Jim]

If true I’d be very disappointed, hadn’t heard that but I’d take your word on it.

That’s the problem with online fan forums, it’s great to hear the differing opinions of fans from around the county but if we are affecting our own players in that way then you do have to question how beneficial the forums are.

Several players have told me they consciously avoid ever looking at this forum which is probably very sensible.

Yeah Bo sadly true enough, but sure all you have to do is be at a game and listen to some of the abuse our own "supporters" give the keeper when he hesitates or tries to take his time and get the kick correct to know what it's like. I'm certain you've heard it and most will know what I mean. Not hard to see how that translates onto a faceless forum. We also know well how at least one other was hounded on the forum. We can be 100% certain though that those same keyboard journalists wouldn't have the bottle to face any of them, or us for that matter, in person and be so vociferous.

 

[PatMustard]

Yeah Bo sadly true enough, but sure all you have to do is be at a game and listen to some of the abuse our own "supporters" give the keeper when he hesitates or tries to take his time and get the kick correct to know what it's like. I'm certain you've heard it and most will know what I mean. Not hard to see how that translates onto a faceless forum. We also know well how at least one other was hounded on the forum. We can be 100% certain though that those same keyboard journalists wouldn't have the bottle to face any of them, or us for that matter, in person and be so vociferous.

In a lot of cases, I find that those who abuse or criticise the most, are those who never kicked a ball.

 

[Big Jim]

In a lot of cases, I find that those who abuse or criticise the most, are those who never kicked a ball.

And in that Pat the discussion ends, in the same way the IN article is summed up up by it.

I'm just enjoying the bashing the IN is getting considering the discussion I was in not so long ago on here. At least I said for me it was personal and made no effort to say it was hearsay. I just don't like the way I and my family were treated by them, but by being in media I was able to challenge them and win.

For the record, I totally agree with @McCoyDromintee in his assertion that he story would not have been approached and therefore "fabricated". I may have an issue with several journalists, but can say without prejudice that that would break all codes of ethics and if it were proven to be untrue, then the entire journalistic world would turn their backs on the IN wholesale. They would effectively have signed their own death warrant. It's tough enough making a living today in print without that on your back.

I enjoy the craic so I do and am fully aware I annoy certain people. But so does Marmite. Still being sold though after all these years, but sure what would a Fermanagh know anyway!!

 

[ragingbull]

In a lot of cases, I find that those who abuse or criticise the most, are those who never kicked a ball.

OK I never kicked a ball in Grange field

 

[PatMustard]

I used to buy the IN everyday, but they just accumulated on the kitchen table so much, that I couldn’t even see the Mrs at dinner time (sometimes that’s a good thing if we’ve just had a barney).

£1 each day adds up, especially as I only really buy it for the GAA. It is a decent paper though. But most of the time it’s not even read.

I can get all my GAA from the Gaelic Life for £1.30 a week (hoping for a wee freebie here from Mr McCoy ).

@niall1980 posted the said article. I didn’t even bother reading it. Seems genuine, but I find myself avoiding such things as unnamed source devalues the article. It’s a bit like when those arses in The Sun quote “sources close to the star”, “a close friend” or “an insider” in articles. Insider, me arse.

 

[PatMustard]

OK I never kicked a ball in Grange field

You mean you’re really from Tullysaran?

 

[niall1980]

I used to buy the IN everyday, but they just accumulated on the kitchen table so much, that I couldn’t even see the Mrs at dinner time (sometimes that’s a good thing if we’ve just had a barney).

£1 each day adds up, especially as I only really buy it for the GAA. It is a decent paper though. But most of the time it’s not even read.

I can get all my GAA from the Gaelic Life for £1.30 a week (hoping for a wee freebie here from Mr McCoy ).

@niall1980 posted the said article. I didn’t even bother reading it. Seems genuine, but I find myself avoiding such things as unnamed source devalues the article. It’s a bit like when those arses in The Sun quote “sources close to the star”, “a close friend” or “an insider” in articles. Insider, me arse.

When I first came back from England, after so long away and not getting up to date Gaelic news I got the IN everyday. Now I only buy it to read Armagh reports, unless we lose, or if there is an Armagh article in it

 

[ragingbull]

Will find out tomorrow

oops

 

[Androim]

What difference does it make who wrote the letter? the points are either valid or not, that’s like saying anyone who writes something negative on here should be made publish their name. Don’t let the mystery of who wrote it distract from the content.

That's like saying that Russia's interference in the election process in the US and various European elections is ok just so long as some of the points raised are valid. Malignant intent means nothing? It is cowardly of a 'prominent' former player to not have the O'Neill's to put his name to letter, and downright shameful for the Irish News to run it. By the way, just what does it mean to describe the whinger who insisted on anonymity as 'prominent? Does it mean he was a great player? Or a player of tremendous girth? Or perhaps ...ah what the hell, you get the gist!

 

[Optiman]

That's like saying that Russia's interference in the election process in the US and various European elections is ok just so long as some of the points raised are valid. Malignant intent means nothing? It is cowardly of a 'prominent' former player to not have the O'Neill's to put his name to letter, and downright shameful for the Irish News to run it. By the way, just what does it mean to describe the whinger who insisted on anonymity as 'prominent? Does it mean he was a great player? Or a player of tremendous girth? Or perhaps ...ah what the hell, you get the gist!

 

[Throwball]

As many of you will know I normally back the manager as I feel it is our job as supporters to do all we can to be a positive influence on the team. Now the season is over I will admit I have had my doubts on what is best for the county. Before the season started I felt staying in Division 2 and getting to an Ulster Final or qualifying for the Super 8 was the minimum needed for Geezer to keep his job. However having travelled the country watching the team my view has changed a little. I travelled home from Castlebar disappointed in the result but not the team. I think we can all see improvement and hope. The county board have to decide should a new man take the team forward or would that risk the progress. It is not a black and white decision. I must say I now think it is best to continue with McGeeney - maybe with a few adjustments in the back ground. Let's hope next year the team stays together with a few additions and progress continues.

 

[Optiman]

As many of you will know I normally back the manager as I feel it is our job as supporters to do all we can to be a positive influence on the team. Now the season is over I will admit I have had my doubts on what is best for the county. Before the season started I felt staying in Division 2 and getting to an Ulster Final or qualifying for the Super 8 was the minimum needed for Geezer to keep his job. However having travelled the country watching the team my view has changed a little. I travelled home from Castlebar disappointed in the result but not the team. I think we can all see improvement and hope. The county board have to decide should a new man take the team forward or would that risk the progress. It is not a black and white decision. I must say I now think it is best to continue with McGeeney - maybe with a few adjustments in the back ground. Let's hope next year the team stays together with a few additions and progress continues.

A very balanced view there by 'Throwball'. The County Board will decide in due course along with Kieran, who has made a massive contribution as a player and manager, what to do in the best interests of the team. I feel we have the makings of a very good team, although some great players are getting on in years. My own view is that If Kieran is to stay, then he needs help and support from someone else with managerial experience whom he can work with. Armagh abu

 

[Naka]

interesting that one name being bandied about as the author of the letter which is unfair to him if he wasnt.
for me, Mc geeney gets another term of say 2 years. ( mc corry to stay but he needs to change the other backroom team). i love how bonner realised his deficiencies and brought Rocheford in.
a few looking to push for Mc Entee who did well with Cross but tbf that`s a step down I think from county football.
I don`t know the guy personally but if he wants to help then he and keiran should chat.
a fair few on here also talking about finance and pushing the boat out, genuinely it takes a lot to keep the show on the road and some of the contributors are getting hammered already by their clubs and by the county, there isn`t much more to give.

 

[ragingbull]

Who all has left the Armagh panel while McGeeney has been manager?