Minor Championship 2022

[OneofTwo]

While he wouldn't he my choice as far as I know he is with Dromintee under 16s and they have won nearly everything over the last few years at their age group. He has also worked with young players at Queens. He has pedigree.

Besides from that some of the best managers haven't won things but have improved teams. More than most GAA teams rely on the players

I just feel this would be yet another appointment which stinks of jobs for the boys. Who was the last Armagh minor manager that wasn't an ex Armagh player? Genuinely curious as I can't think of one.

I agree on your point that success is not a bench mark wholeheartedly but given our track record at underage it certainly is a real concern.

 

[Wee man]

Why would he be a good shout? Experienced in intercounty set ups, yes. Any evidence of any success anywhere? None.

That is exactly what we need, yet another job for the boys for the 02 team.

i think that is a really stupid argument
base the appointment on someone's credentials for the job and as far as resumes go there are not many better than this mans

There are other alternatives but it would be very short-sighted to rule out one of the best candidates simply because he was part of the 02 team .

And to your question 'any evidence of any success anywhere', I would suggest you do your research a bit better before answering 'none' cos its obvious you dont know what your talking about.

 

[OneofTwo]

i think that is a really stupid argument
base the appointment on someone's credentials for the job and as far as resumes go there are not many better than this mans

There are other alternatives but it would be very short-sighted to rule out one of the best candidates simply because he was part of the 02 team .

And to your question 'any evidence of any success anywhere', I would suggest you do your research a bit better before answering 'none' cos its obvious you dont know what your talking about.

I don't believe it is a poor argument. Just because someone has had lots of experience, it doesn't mean they are any good. AOR has a long list of intercounty jobs with little to no success and plenty of short tenures.

There are indeed other alternatives that should be explored but I doubt they will be given how the minor appointment usually plays out.

Happy for you to highlight the success and I don't mean any underage club success because if that is the bench mark then there is a long list of club coaches that should have had the job before now.

If he is the best person for the job then brilliant but sooner or later we are going to have to stop giving 02 players jobs.

 

[Not too serious]

The rumour this past few weeks is that O’Rourke and Marsden have the job. Which makes the request for nominations from the clubs a box ticking exercise.

Also regarding U20s I thought it strange that re-appointment passed without further discussion. Nothing against the post holder but the initial appointment was a joint ticket with Oisin McConville who it would appear is no longer involved (open to correction). This happened before in Tyrone and one Mickey Harte subsequently applied and the rest as they say is history.

 

[Wee man]

I don't believe it is a poor argument. Just because someone has had lots of experience, it doesn't mean they are any good. AOR has a long list of intercounty jobs with little to no success and plenty of short tenures.

There are indeed other alternatives that should be explored but I doubt they will be given how the minor appointment usually plays out.

Happy for you to highlight the success and I don't mean any underage club success because if that is the bench mark then there is a long list of club coaches that should have had the job before now.

If he is the best person for the job then brilliant but sooner or later we are going to have to stop giving 02 players jobs.

so the criteria for the job
- must not be part of the 2002 AI winning team
- success at club underage will not be taken into account

good luck with that one mate

 

[OneofTwo]

so the criteria for the job
- must not be part of the 2002 AI winning team
- success at club underage will not be taken into account

good luck with that one

If you are talking about job criteria, as with any job there would be essential and desirable criteria. I personally don’t think AOR would tick many boxes. Please note the use of the word personal.

Having some tangible success somewhere would be desirable, particularly given our overly long history of no underage success. He has none unless you would like to point out inter county success I have missed.

Be clear, the poor appointments aren’t solely limited to the 2002 side, there have been a few other ex county players with little to no coaching/management experience that have done equally as bad a job.

The main point is that unless you have played county football there is little evidence to suggest you will get a coaching role in Armagh.

 

[Jamie's Coffee]

The County U16 management should be looked at for the minor job - they play a great brand of football and have the boys on board. Only team to beat them this year is Dublin in Dublin by 3 points (a very questionable penalty) and they play Tyrone in the Buncranna Cup final at the weekend.
Re AOR there is no doubt that he has had success with that Dromintee side but the way the play is akin to an experienced county senior side, ball retention & low risk plays are the order of the day. Success is one thing but there is very little expression or joy in that style of play. All very machine-like and I’m not sure they would have success at county level playing like that.

 

[OneofTwo]

The County U16 management should be looked at for the minor job - they play a great brand of football and have the boys on board. Only team to beat them this year is Dublin in Dublin by 3 points (a very questionable penalty) and they play Tyrone in the Buncranna Cup final at the weekend.
Re AOR there is no doubt that he has had success with that Dromintee side but the way the play is akin to an experienced county senior side, ball retention & low risk plays are the order of the day. Success is one thing but there is very little expression or joy in that style of play. All very machine-like and I’m not sure they would have success at county level playing like that.

There are men in that set up more than deserve a chance to manage the minor side.

 

[thehighballinlow]

There are men in that set up more than deserve a chance to manage the minor side.

Who all is in that set up eugene o callaghan, barra murray?

 

[Slieve Gullion]

This forum is mental

 

[MJM]

Was the minor mgt not also discussed last night?

 

[Throwball]

The County U16 management should be looked at for the minor job - they play a great brand of football and have the boys on board. Only team to beat them this year is Dublin in Dublin by 3 points (a very questionable penalty) and they play Tyrone in the Buncranna Cup final at the weekend.
Re AOR there is no doubt that he has had success with that Dromintee side but the way the play is akin to an experienced county senior side, ball retention & low risk plays are the order of the day. Success is one thing but there is very little expression or joy in that style of play. All very machine-like and I’m not sure they would have success at county level playing like that.

Not sure if it is as simple as under 16 management stepping up. If they are the best available for the job should be the criteria.

I agree 1000% on O'Rourke though. He has developed a very successful team with Dromintee under 16s. They have some very good players but their system is what makes them successful in my opinion. I have my doubts on weither this will produce the best players for senior football though. He has also been working with this group from under 8 or 10. I have seen a good bit of this age group over the years and among the Division 1 teams I know every team has a number of very good players. I am disappointed though that Dromintee didn't manage to show all these teams the respect they deserved by fulfilling all their fixtures in the league this year.

 

[Not too serious]

The County U16 management should be looked at for the minor job - they play a great brand of football and have the boys on board. Only team to beat them this year is Dublin in Dublin by 3 points (a very questionable penalty) and they play Tyrone in the Buncranna Cup final at the weekend.
Re AOR there is no doubt that he has had success with that Dromintee side but the way the play is akin to an experienced county senior side, ball retention & low risk plays are the order of the day. Success is one thing but there is very little expression or joy in that style of play. All very machine-like and I’m not sure they would have success at county level playing like that.

They have been nominated for the post as far as I know

 

[Throwball]

Realise it’s not a gimme but I think they should be in any conversation about it.
Unfortunately 5 of this years Co.Minor squad who are still U16 didn’t see fit to come back to the panel when minors finished. With the Buncranna cup final on sat v Tyrone not only is it disappointing as it would surely strengthen the squad but also a little disrespectful. I’m informed all the players are from Dromintee.

I hope that isn't the case.

Under 15s in Dermot Early Cup final v Cork on Sunday too.

 

[McCoyDromintee]

Quite a bit of incorrect information in here but even with that, I'm finding the critical discussion of lads 14. 15 and 16 years of age a bit unbecoming and unnecessary.

 

[JoeH]

Quite a bit of incorrect information in here but even with that, I'm finding the critical discussion of lads 14. 15 and 16 years of age a bit unbecoming and unnecessary.

Agreed
Too easy for people to say what they want without correct information
These players are children
Good luck to all those taking part in the finals over the weekend

 

[Throwball]

Quite a bit of incorrect information in here but even with that, I'm finding the critical discussion of lads 14. 15 and 16 years of age a bit unbecoming and unnecessary.

I am definitely not being critical of the lads. I did offer an opinion that I don't think the way Dromintee play will produce better senior players. I may be wrong. Time will tell. Management dictate how they play. It is very very successful at underage. The point on not fulfilling fixtures is a criticism of management and not players.

 

[McCoyDromintee]

I am definitely not being critical of the lads. I did offer an opinion that I don't think the way Dromintee play will produce better senior players. I may be wrong. Time will tell. Management dictate how they play. It is very very successful at underage. The point on not fulfilling fixtures is a criticism of management and not players.

Fair enough.

 

[Throwball]

Fair enough.

I could add - which in some ways contradicts some of my earlier comments - that Dromintee's success at underage has pushed other teams to improve. Maybe that is why Armagh have two teams in finals this weekend?

 

[Bringyourboots]

I think it may be a case that as these are development squads, and players who are part of the minor setup don't automatically drop back down. This is potentially a good thing for those lads at u16 who have played all year.

Also worth noting that there may be several squads at these ages and players who would be as good as or possibly better than those in the squad for the finals will be watching on.

No matter; being in 2 finals is hugely encouraging and bodes well for the future.

Best of luck to all involved.