National Football League 2023

ragingbull

ragingbull

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Wide ball said:
He was back training this week, questions of the manger can wait until the end of the season. He has been there a long time but from what I hear is if he left a few players would go too, that is also the way Kildare players felt, he definitely gets the players on side and we know from the years he has been in charge it's attacking football that he prefers to play, a week break and then onto Antrim and a positive result could change everything,
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There's always other player's to take their place ;)
 
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Patrick-Armagh

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Getting relegated was not seen as realistic possibility at the start of the season, based on the momentum that we all believed that we would be carrying into this season. How wrong we were. We've got no one to blame but ourselves. We've been absolutely awful for the majority of the league. Yes we just came out on the wrong side of a couple of results, that ultimately have cost us, but overall, our performance levels and game plan have been way off and we've suffered the consequences. Getting relegated by that shower is gut wrenching, infuriating and embarrassing all rolled into one. The performance against Monaghan was the sign of things to come sadly. I think most of us would have put it down to early season rustiness, but unfortunately it was the start of the slow, turgid, negative football that we would witness throughout the entire league. I get why the management wanted to experiment with this game plan - in my mind it was to have more control and defensive solidity in tight matches come Championship. That's all well and good. But when it came at the expensive of cohesive, incisive attacking football, then we have a problem. In short, the style of play we employed to help us win tight games, contributed massively to relegating us in my opinion.

From where we were a year ago, to now is a major set back. Yes, you can argue that we got beaten by a point by the All Ireland Champs and we were cruising against Galway the All Ireland Finalists and we duffed a number of goal chances against Roscommon, but the reality is that as usual we didn't win those tight games. That has been symptomatic of this team for years sadly. Management and players have to face up to that, which they have done in the past. There's no doubt that missing the likes of James Morgan and Ben Crealey had a big effect on the team, as they quality players, who do so much unflashy work, but which has a major effect on the team.

I fully believe that we will beat Antrim. You'd like to think that there will be a kick from the time for the games after that. But honestly I don't know what to expect from the rest of the season.
 
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SaintSeamy

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Patrick-Armagh said:
I fully believe that we will beat Antrim. You'd like to think that there will be a kick from the time for the games after that. But honestly I don't know what to expect from the rest of the season.
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I think we should definitely be beating Cavan and Down/Donegal.

Whilst I hate the turgid negative football, we weren't embarrassed or rolled over by any teams in the league. Kick of a ball in it and we drew against best team in the league in Mayo.
 
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Patrick-Armagh

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SaintSeamy said:
I think we should definitely be beating Cavan and Down/Donegal.

Whilst I hate the turgid negative football, we weren't embarrassed or rolled over by any teams in the league. Kick of a ball in it and we drew against best team in the league in Mayo.
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Too often there's a kick of a ball in it (usually when we've been well in the lead) and too often we don't come out the right side of it.

You're right though, we weren't embarrassed on the scoreboard, but I was personally embarrassed to watch us play like we did. I was genuinely angry after the Galway defeat, which really was a dire display on our part. That's ultimately what cost us. Win that game and today was irrelevant. We somehow conspired to lose it.
 
Seamy

Seamy

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ragingbull said:
Decky Mckenna Harps,Shea Heffron Clann Eireann,Morris Crossmaglen
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Ah come on now horse.

McKenna is a fantastic club player no doubt but if you're relying on a 32 year old coming in to be the saviour. Having been out of the loop that long and with miles on the clock it's near impossible to get up to Inter County conditioning regardless of how well he's playing at club level.

Heffron a talent no doubt but opted out 6 years ago. Can't see why he'd be looking back now. Younger than McKenna and a great club player but if he's not in now I'm sure there's a reason for it.

Morris a very talented lad. Again, not sure of the circumstances but genuine question, who would you drop for him?

I absolutely take your point that there might be other lads out there but I've watched a lot of club football in the county. I've not seen anyone though that isn't on the panel play at club level and make me think 'fuck he should be playing for Armagh.'
 
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Harper1

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Rufus T Firefly said:
Without having any personal insight at all, save for what I pick up from speaking to others, this is something that I have alluded to in the past when others have been asking for Geezer to be replaced. The nature of his management seems to be based on excellent man management that helps to develop absolute loyalty and commitment from the players, which is central to many important players continuing to commit. This has to be a consideration when discussing management.
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This should be a major concern if true.

If Geezers' style of management has created an environment where players are playing for Kieran McGeeney rather than playing for Armagh then any success's or advancements that Armagh may or may not have made, or will make, during his time at the helm will be short lived. Rather than building for the future, he would simply be building for the now.

I really hope that this isn't the case, I can understand that some players will get on well with a manager etc... but if a player or players are essentially ready to quit if Geezer goes then that's a problem. Armagh should come first for any county player and any suggestion that the decision on Geezer's future should be constraint by a handful of players and their loyalty to him should anger everyone from the supporters to the county board.

As has been said above, now isn't the time for discussing the managers future. But when that time does come the County cannot be dictated to by a car load of senior players. Armagh is bigger than that.
 
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Armagh_paul

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Harper1 said:
This should be a major concern if true.

If Geezers' style of management has created an environment where players are playing for Kieran McGeeney rather than playing for Armagh then any success's or advancements that Armagh may or may not have made, or will make, during his time at the helm will be short lived. Rather than building for the future, he would simply be building for the now.

I really hope that this isn't the case, I can understand that some players will get on well with a manager etc... but if a player or players are essentially ready to quit if Geezer goes then that's a problem. Armagh should come first for any county player and any suggestion that the decision on Geezer's future should be constraint by a handful of players and their loyalty to him should anger everyone from the supporters to the county board.

As has been said above, now isn't the time for discussing the managers future. But when that time does come the County cannot be dictated to by a car load of senior players. Armagh is bigger than that.
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It could end up being catastrophic for the team
 
ragingbull

ragingbull

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Seamy said:
Ah come on now horse.

McKenna is a fantastic club player no doubt but if you're relying on a 32 year old coming in to be the saviour. Having been out of the loop that long and with miles on the clock it's near impossible to get up to Inter County conditioning regardless of how well he's playing at club level.

Heffron a talent no doubt but opted out 6 years ago. Can't see why he'd be looking back now. Younger than McKenna and a great club player but if he's not in now I'm sure there's a reason for it.

Morris a very talented lad. Again, not sure of the circumstances but genuine question, who would you drop for him?

I absolutely take your point that there might be other lads out there but I've watched a lot of club football in the county. I've not seen anyone though that isn't on the panel play at club level and make me think 'fuck he should be playing for Armagh.'
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I've been to club games or seen on ATV & seen county players play & think how are they on the county team I've seen them have poor games for their clubs
 
Rufus T Firefly

Rufus T Firefly

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Harper1 said:
This should be a major concern if true.

If Geezers' style of management has created an environment where players are playing for Kieran McGeeney rather than playing for Armagh then any success's or advancements that Armagh may or may not have made, or will make, during his time at the helm will be short lived. Rather than building for the future, he would simply be building for the now.

I really hope that this isn't the case, I can understand that some players will get on well with a manager etc... but if a player or players are essentially ready to quit if Geezer goes then that's a problem. Armagh should come first for any county player and any suggestion that the decision on Geezer's future should be constraint by a handful of players and their loyalty to him should anger everyone from the supporters to the county board.

As has been said above, now isn't the time for discussing the managers future. But when that time does come the County cannot be dictated to by a car load of senior players. Armagh is bigger than that.
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I don't think anyone is saying it is a constraint. It is though a factor to be considered. These players are amateurs. If they are not dropped from the squad, then they are entitled to quit as and when they want. If that decision is taken at a time in the future when management might change, my hope would be that they'd be thanked for their service and commitment - particularly if they have given many years of service to the County team (and Geezer) - rather than have to face the anger of everyone from supporters to the county board, for making that decision.
 
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