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bcb1

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PatMustard said:
Coaching, structures, schools etc are important definitely. But do things go deeper than that?

Modern society is a factor too. I notice changes with kids now to when I was a kid (in the 50’s)...

Housing developments with no green areas. That’s where you hone your skills really. Hours and hours spent after school and weekend.

Both parents working and kids sent to childminders/after school clubs instead of out playing. In the past, probably more mothers at home, so the kids came from school, grabbed the ball, and away outside.

Technology is an absolutely massive problem (yes, I understand I’m on a technology typing this). Near us, I’ve noticed kids out playing all the time. Once they hit secondary school, the phones appear and you never see them again. Kids getting gadgets younger and younger, instead of being thrown a ball or hurl and told to get outside.

Smaller families. If a kid is an only child, less likely to get involved. Heard lots of stories of a bigger family and the lads (and girls) cutting the sh1te out of each other in the garden, night and day. I think the Mackin girls had a similar upbringing with their brothers.

Two stories spring to mind. Peter Canavan and Roy Keane. Heard it said neither rarely had a ball out of their hands. Toe tapping the ball walking to school/shop/calling for friends. Kicking balls against gable walls annoying the neighbours. Honing their skills constantly.
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Those issues face every team in every sport. Put in place the proper structures around these societal issues and you overcome them. While they are issues I don’t believe they are adequate excuses. Monaghan have a smaller playing pool than Armagh and no doubt face the same societal issues but have been consistently performing at a higher level than you would expect. This should be looked at and mirrored in my opinion.
 
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thecritic

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As the dust settles, the pain eases a little and we look towards the Championship.
We are not far away and have been competitive but seem to mirror the opposing team quite often - raise the bar for the top teams and lower it for lesser teams. We are a better team than Monaghan and Roscommon and hopefully we can show that in the summer and get a big day out in Croker once again.
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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Only minor tweaks were needed from last year. Not major ones. Forwards were looking good defence was being shored up but still needs attention.

McCambride, Forker, Morgan - was Kennedy only gone for the year or has he stepped away altogether?
 
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Wide ball

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bcb1 said:
Those issues face every team in every sport. Put in place the proper structures around these societal issues and you overcome them. While they are issues I don’t believe they are adequate excuses. Monaghan have a smaller playing pool than Armagh and no doubt face the same societal issues but have been consistently performing at a higher level than you would expect. This should be looked at and mirrored in my opinion.
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Monaghan and rosscommon are the 2 county's to mirror imo tiny playing pool but always punching above their weight
 
William Of Orange

William Of Orange

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pablo said:
I think what he brings goes beyond motivational but also professional like structurea, player development, funding. I think he genuinely has managed to create a set up comprising a competitive talented panel, with very little to work with. Thats reflective of the panel itself-no club or previous underage cohort dominate and its draws on a spread of junior, intermediate and senior clubs across all the county. He had no real choice. I note a poster on another forum expressing the fear that this is a team 'build on a house of sand'. That is exactly my concern. I wouldn't go as far to say that McGeeney has overachieved-mistakes on the sideline etc, but he has created a senior set up that can compete at the highest level for a county that has no feeder system. The state of football in the county means that there is little to work with-we do manage to come up with some indvidual gems but they have little experience of playing on provincial or national winning teams
Having said that, we are not that far away. As OIFrancie mentions-even the Tyronies are wary that very soon it may all click for us and we could be off and flying.
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Great post
 
William Of Orange

William Of Orange

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bcb1 said:
Those issues face every team in every sport. Put in place the proper structures around these societal issues and you overcome them. While they are issues I don’t believe they are adequate excuses. Monaghan have a smaller playing pool than Armagh and no doubt face the same societal issues but have been consistently performing at a higher level than you would expect. This should be looked at and mirrored in my opinion.
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What’s your opinion on the academy @bcb1 , I know it arrived with a lot of fanfare , obviously the results haven’t improved but is it a good strategy?.
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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I started out with great intentions of reading through the posts but with 10 pages it was gonna be tough. One page in and I gave up.

Not gonna repeat one thing I read and obviously can't on the good stuff I've missed out on.

So, yeah it's a bit annoying that we got relegated, but that is where we are and name calling, denigrating (just did a dictionary check on that before @Ard Mhacha 13 castigated me) or generally putting others down is depressing and getting no one anywhere. Having an opinion is brilliant and everyone has that entitlement, but jumping on someone because they disagree is just daft. A difference of opinion is completely natural and because someone "thinks" differently, doesn't always mean they're wrong.

We 100% have the best supporters in the land!! Ask any Armagh supporter and they will tell you that. 30 odd counties that'd disagree mind you (yes there are a lot more than 32 - New York, London, et al!!)

This'll test whether you can accept a difference of opinion:

It seems that most would regard Mayo as a top 4 team. Why?? What have they done to deserve that position? How many Senior AI Football titles in the last 70 odd years?
They got relegated to div.2 on 2020 I think but still considered great!! Why? Because they're not us? They have been in the AI Final in 1989, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2020 and 2021 (I checked that)! How many wins?

Not so very long ago a great [former] forum member said that to reach a final was poor form if you don't go on and win it! 11 times since the late 80s and not one win, yet they're great.

I can't say that the argument that they are great is wrong, but I don't know where it comes from.

Stayed in division 1 longer consecutively than anyone else? Yep! Won more league titles than anyone else? Nope but they do have 6 consecutive in mid to late 1930s! I'm fairly sure none of those players are still on the panel.

Ah well. I guess getting beaten by Antrim in two weeks will be what we deserve too.

One thing though I'm 100% certain of; Management have not once this year sent out a team hoping or even thinking they'd lose. Those calling for Geezer to leave qualify the call by stating that he was an extremely brave and diligent servant to the county. He would have died for his team because of his love for the county! So now that he is team manager, that love has gone? He doesn't care and he just picks a team to massage his ego? Oh I know! It's so he can justify his BIG wage bill!! Yeah I know he gets it funded by sorting out sponsorship to cover it, but don't let that put a stop to the fun of mistruths.

Personally I want him to stay on. I'll go further. Even if Antrim were to beat us Saturday week and we get thumped in the qualifiers first time out, he'll still be there next season. He is a stabilising figure within Armagh and has helped bring the finances into order since he arrived. There's a lot of work still to be done and I don't see us winning anything substantive in the next 10 years. That bit I will gladly take back in spades when you gloat at how wrong I am, but first I have to be wrong. Sorry but that's just my honest, no messing this time opinion and I'm really looking forward to Antrim. Ticket sorted earlier so now just waiting!!!!
 
ragingbull

ragingbull

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28 played
25 wins 3 draws
21 home wins 7 away wins

Mayo 4 wins 2 draws 1 lost
Galway 4 wins 2 draws 1 lost
Roscommon 4 wins no draws 3 lost
Tyrone 4 wins no draws 3 lost
Kerry 3 wins no draws 4 lost
Monaghan 3 wins no draws 4 lost
Armagh 2 wins 1 draw 4 lost
Donegal 1 win 1 draw 5 lost

Games
Mayo 4 home 3 away
Galway 4 home 3 away
Roscommon 4 home 3 away
Tyrone 3 home 4 away
Kerry 3 home 4 away
Monaghan 4 home 3 away
Armagh 3 home 4 away
Donegal 3 home 4 away
 
PatMustard

PatMustard

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Interesting that the top 3 had four games at home. And us and Donegal got relegated, having only 3 games at home.

Had we 4 home games instead of 3, that might have made the difference.

Roscommon or Tyrone at home. I would have fancied getting a point at least from either of those, to stay up. Those are t’margins.
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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ragingbull said:
28 played
25 wins 3 draws
21 home wins 7 away wins

Mayo 4 wins 2 draws 1 lost
Galway 4 wins 2 draws 1 lost
Roscommon 4 wins no draws 3 lost
Tyrone 4 wins no draws 3 lost
Kerry 3 wins no draws 4 lost
Monaghan 3 wins no draws 4 lost
Armagh 2 wins 1 draw 4 lost
Donegal 1 win 1 draw 5 lost

Games
Mayo 4 home 3 away
Galway 4 home 3 away
Roscommon 4 home 3 away
Tyrone 3 home 4 away
Kerry 3 home 4 away
Monaghan 4 home 3 away
Armagh 3 home 4 away
Donegal 3 home 4 away
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Interesting reading
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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PatMustard said:
Interesting that the top 3 had four games at home. And us and Donegal got relegated, having only 3 games at home.

Had we 4 home games instead of 3, that might have made the difference.

Roscommon or Tyrone at home. I would have fancied getting a point at least from either of those, to stay up. Those are t’margins.
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If mayo played Monaghan like they did with everyone else they would have been gone not us.
 
William Of Orange

William Of Orange

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Big Jim said:
I started out with great intentions of reading through the posts but with 10 pages it was gonna be tough. One page in and I gave up.

Not gonna repeat one thing I read and obviously can't on the good stuff I've missed out on.

So, yeah it's a bit annoying that we got relegated, but that is where we are and name calling, denigrating (just did a dictionary check on that before @Ard Mhacha 13 castigated me) or generally putting others down is depressing and getting no one anywhere. Having an opinion is brilliant and everyone has that entitlement, but jumping on someone because they disagree is just daft. A difference of opinion is completely natural and because someone "thinks" differently, doesn't always mean they're wrong.

We 100% have the best supporters in the land!! Ask any Armagh supporter and they will tell you that. 30 odd counties that'd disagree mind you (yes there are a lot more than 32 - New York, London, et al!!)

This'll test whether you can accept a difference of opinion:

It seems that most would regard Mayo as a top 4 team. Why?? What have they done to deserve that position? How many Senior AI Football titles in the last 70 odd years?
They got relegated to div.2 on 2020 I think but still considered great!! Why? Because they're not us? They have been in the AI Final in 1989, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2020 and 2021 (I checked that)! How many wins?

Not so very long ago a great [former] forum member said that to reach a final was poor form if you don't go on and win it! 11 times since the late 80s and not one win, yet they're great.

I can't say that the argument that they are great is wrong, but I don't know where it comes from.

Stayed in division 1 longer consecutively than anyone else? Yep! Won more league titles than anyone else? Nope but they do have 6 consecutive in mid to late 1930s! I'm fairly sure none of those players are still on the panel.

Ah well. I guess getting beaten by Antrim in two weeks will be what we deserve too.

One thing though I'm 100% certain of; Management have not once this year sent out a team hoping or even thinking they'd lose. Those calling for Geezer to leave qualify the call by stating that he was an extremely brave and diligent servant to the county. He would have died for his team because of his love for the county! So now that he is team manager, that love has gone? He doesn't care and he just picks a team to massage his ego? Oh I know! It's so he can justify his BIG wage bill!! Yeah I know he gets it funded by sorting out sponsorship to cover it, but don't let that put a stop to the fun of mistruths.

Personally I want him to stay on. I'll go further. Even if Antrim were to beat us Saturday week and we get thumped in the qualifiers first time out, he'll still be there next season. He is a stabilising figure within Armagh and has helped bring the finances into order since he arrived. There's a lot of work still to be done and I don't see us winning anything substantive in the next 10 years. That bit I will gladly take back in spades when you gloat at how wrong I am, but first I have to be wrong. Sorry but that's just my honest, no messing this time opinion and I'm really looking forward to Antrim. Ticket sorted earlier so now just waiting!!!!
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You back on the glue Jimbo ? Not sure if you on the wind up or fishing if so you have hooked me line and sinker .

The last paragraph about getting beat by Antrim and still staying on next year reminds me of people voting still for the DUP even though they have damaged the economy, are homophobic and block all forms of change because they don’t see any alternative, there is always an alternative , we can find another manager somewhere, sometimes you have to be brave and take a chance with the unknown when the alternative is more of the same .

Armagh is bigger than one person , I didn’t know that he was working as the treasurer of Armagh as well so fair play to him for steadying finances but I don’t think that’s part of the job description.

Anyhow fair play for the blinding unflinching loyalty , the trump supporters have a bit to learn , even if you all are crazy .
 
Armaghniac

Armaghniac

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ragingbull said:
Games 2024

Home
Meath
Louth
Cork
Cavan

Away
Donegal
Kildare
Fermanagh
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Cork at home saves on the Diesel and they are often not great away from home, the rest are not too far away, although away games to Louth and Meath would be a handy run. Newbridge pitch is closed next season so who knows where the Kildare game will be.
 
Muckser

Muckser

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Tickets are on sale for Antrim game and thankfully reserved seating. It was a disgrace that season ticket holders weren't guaranteed a seat in the league. How stands can be full 90 minutes before throw in is amazing.
 
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