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thehighballinlow

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Do armagh development teams minors 20's and seniors all meet and sit down together on a monthly basis.

I know that in certain counties once a month all managers of minors, U20s and seniors, will have a meeting to discuss players, systems, etc etc.

I think there is merit to this with all singing off the one hymn sheet.

Take our u20's i was at the cross killeavy game satuday and was very impressed with ronan fitzpatrick 1-4 or 1-5 from play and pearce blessing (first senior start)0-1 from midfield and its hard to believe they werent missed in clones. Add james King and dara quinn culloville to this we can't afford to not have that quality missing for our U20s. ( im sure you will have more names). Is this a player issue with the buy-in, or did the management not rate these players?

We are missing certain players that should be been developed that in 2-3 years time slide into the snr squad.

Is there someone over this in the county. I know when I was that age dennis was over all development squads.
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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William Of Orange said:
You back on the glue Jimbo ? Not sure if you on the wind up or fishing if so you have hooked me line and sinker .

The last paragraph about getting beat by Antrim and still staying on next year reminds me of people voting still for the DUP even though they have damaged the economy, are homophobic and block all forms of change because they don’t see any alternative, there is always an alternative , we can find another manager somewhere, sometimes you have to be brave and take a chance with the unknown when the alternative is more of the same .

Armagh is bigger than one person , I didn’t know that he was working as the treasurer of Armagh as well so fair play to him for steadying finances but I don’t think that’s part of the job description.

Anyhow fair play for the blinding unflinching loyalty , the trump supporters have a bit to learn , even if you all are crazy .
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Ah now Billy, ye had to bring the PUDs into it. I tauld ya at the last lodge meeting to keep that te us's. Jaysus man you'll have them'uns quaking we're taking over their cultytar man!!

Now I'm not saying "in my opinion" that we can't get another manager or even a whole new set up. Just that in "my opinion" we won't just because the current county board will keep things as they are. And like it or not, not that he is the treasurer (and it's not even their job anyway - that's down to the sponsorship and advertising committee or whatever it gets called these days) but he has brought in massive amounts of money by bringing in big sponsors and money people. That's not hidden or secret and I thought genuinely, widely known. It's honestly not what a treasurer does.
Do you think that in a bookies an accountant sets the odds?
Do you think that in a bakery that the accountant creates the recipes?
Do you think in the exchequer that the chancellor chases debt?

Like I suggest in the original post, why is it such a stretch that someone can have a differing opinion? Lets enjoy the build up and be different in how we look at things. Just because I think it won't change doesn't mean I think it shouldn't! However I don't want it too. That is different!
 
William Of Orange

William Of Orange

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Big Jim said:
Ah now Billy, ye had to bring the PUDs into it. I tauld ya at the last lodge meeting to keep that te us's. Jaysus man you'll have them'uns quaking we're taking over their cultytar man!!

Now I'm not saying "in my opinion" that we can't get another manager or even a whole new set up. Just that in "my opinion" we won't just because the current county board will keep things as they are. And like it or not, not that he is the treasurer (and it's not even their job anyway - that's down to the sponsorship and advertising committee or whatever it gets called these days) but he has brought in massive amounts of money by bringing in big sponsors and money people. That's not hidden or secret and I thought genuinely, widely known. It's honestly not what a treasurer does.
Do you think that in a bookies an accountant sets the odds?
Do you think that in a bakery that the accountant creates the recipes?
Do you think in the exchequer that the chancellor chases debt?

Like I suggest in the original post, why is it such a stretch that someone can have a differing opinion? Lets enjoy the build up and be different in how we look at things. Just because I think it won't change doesn't mean I think it shouldn't! However I don't want it too. That is different!
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Your crazy man ! I like you but your crazy

 
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Armamike

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As disappointing as it is to get relegated, the measure for this and any season is how far we can go in the championship. While we've done well to move from div 3 to div 1, the most disappointing thing for me over many years now is that we can't get a win or 2 in the Ulster championship. We're the only side in Ulster since 2009 I think not to play in a final. That has to change.
 
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niall1980

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Big Jim said:
I started out with great intentions of reading through the posts but with 10 pages it was gonna be tough. One page in and I gave up.

Not gonna repeat one thing I read and obviously can't on the good stuff I've missed out on.

So, yeah it's a bit annoying that we got relegated, but that is where we are and name calling, denigrating (just did a dictionary check on that before @Ard Mhacha 13 castigated me) or generally putting others down is depressing and getting no one anywhere. Having an opinion is brilliant and everyone has that entitlement, but jumping on someone because they disagree is just daft. A difference of opinion is completely natural and because someone "thinks" differently, doesn't always mean they're wrong.

We 100% have the best supporters in the land!! Ask any Armagh supporter and they will tell you that. 30 odd counties that'd disagree mind you (yes there are a lot more than 32 - New York, London, et al!!)

This'll test whether you can accept a difference of opinion:

It seems that most would regard Mayo as a top 4 team. Why?? What have they done to deserve that position? How many Senior AI Football titles in the last 70 odd years?
They got relegated to div.2 on 2020 I think but still considered great!! Why? Because they're not us? They have been in the AI Final in 1989, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2020 and 2021 (I checked that)! How many wins?

Not so very long ago a great [former] forum member said that to reach a final was poor form if you don't go on and win it! 11 times since the late 80s and not one win, yet they're great.

I can't say that the argument that they are great is wrong, but I don't know where it comes from.

Stayed in division 1 longer consecutively than anyone else? Yep! Won more league titles than anyone else? Nope but they do have 6 consecutive in mid to late 1930s! I'm fairly sure none of those players are still on the panel.

Ah well. I guess getting beaten by Antrim in two weeks will be what we deserve too.

One thing though I'm 100% certain of; Management have not once this year sent out a team hoping or even thinking they'd lose. Those calling for Geezer to leave qualify the call by stating that he was an extremely brave and diligent servant to the county. He would have died for his team because of his love for the county! So now that he is team manager, that love has gone? He doesn't care and he just picks a team to massage his ego? Oh I know! It's so he can justify his BIG wage bill!! Yeah I know he gets it funded by sorting out sponsorship to cover it, but don't let that put a stop to the fun of mistruths.

Personally I want him to stay on. I'll go further. Even if Antrim were to beat us Saturday week and we get thumped in the qualifiers first time out, he'll still be there next season. He is a stabilising figure within Armagh and has helped bring the finances into order since he arrived. There's a lot of work still to be done and I don't see us winning anything substantive in the next 10 years. That bit I will gladly take back in spades when you gloat at how wrong I am, but first I have to be wrong. Sorry but that's just my honest, no messing this time opinion and I'm really looking forward to Antrim. Ticket sorted earlier so now just waiting!!!!
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I’m not sure who said Mayo are great but to deny they’re a top 4 team is, in my humble opinion, incorrect. Only for a generational Dublin team they would probably have a couple of all Ireland’s
 
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niall1980

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PatMustard said:
Interesting that the top 3 had four games at home. And us and Donegal got relegated, having only 3 games at home.

Had we 4 home games instead of 3, that might have made the difference.

Roscommon or Tyrone at home. I would have fancied getting a point at least from either of those, to stay up. Those are t’margins.
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How many teams that didn’t get relegated had 3 home games?
 
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niall1980

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Armaghniac said:
Cork at home saves on the Diesel and they are often not great away from home, the rest are not too far away, although away games to Louth and Meath would be a handy run. Newbridge pitch is closed next season so who knows where the Kildare game will be.
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I’m pretty sure the last time we played cork was in the AG. Could be away to them yet
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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Played Cork in 2012 at AG it was a draw, the year we went down to D2 with Laois. Odd how we haven't met them since we have both been going through the top three divisions throughout the years.
 
ragingbull

ragingbull

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2024 games if Armagh had of been in division 1,there would have been a good chance we would have been relegated next year away ;)

home
Dublin
Kerry
Monaghan
Tyrone

Away
Derry
Galway
Mayo
 
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POINTMAN

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bcb1 said:
Those issues face every team in every sport. Put in place the proper structures around these societal issues and you overcome them. While they are issues I don’t believe they are adequate excuses. Monaghan have a smaller playing pool than Armagh and no doubt face the same societal issues but have been consistently performing at a higher level than you would expect. This should be looked at and mirrored in my opinion.
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Monaghan had a man called Malachy O'Rourke for much of that time - should we mirror that?
 
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