Armaghniac
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I did go there about 15 years ago, we were poor that day with the honourable exception of Charlie Vernon.I never seen the old one.
I did go there about 15 years ago, we were poor that day with the honourable exception of Charlie Vernon.I never seen the old one.
It was a little tongue in cheek, but many do count them as great, even on here as they're constantly used to compare against. That's not hard to find.I’m not sure who said Mayo are great but to deny they’re a top 4 team is, in my humble opinion, incorrect. Only for a generational Dublin team they would probably have a couple of all Ireland’s
Sure it would be nice to see the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh.What's that in English
Fair play Jim, thats certainly a different take on things.I started out with great intentions of reading through the posts but with 10 pages it was gonna be tough. One page in and I gave up.
Not gonna repeat one thing I read and obviously can't on the good stuff I've missed out on.
So, yeah it's a bit annoying that we got relegated, but that is where we are and name calling, denigrating (just did a dictionary check on that before @Ard Mhacha 13 castigated me) or generally putting others down is depressing and getting no one anywhere. Having an opinion is brilliant and everyone has that entitlement, but jumping on someone because they disagree is just daft. A difference of opinion is completely natural and because someone "thinks" differently, doesn't always mean they're wrong.
We 100% have the best supporters in the land!! Ask any Armagh supporter and they will tell you that. 30 odd counties that'd disagree mind you (yes there are a lot more than 32 - New York, London, et al!!)
This'll test whether you can accept a difference of opinion:
It seems that most would regard Mayo as a top 4 team. Why?? What have they done to deserve that position? How many Senior AI Football titles in the last 70 odd years?
They got relegated to div.2 on 2020 I think but still considered great!! Why? Because they're not us? They have been in the AI Final in 1989, 1996, 1997, 2004, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2020 and 2021 (I checked that)! How many wins?
Not so very long ago a great [former] forum member said that to reach a final was poor form if you don't go on and win it! 11 times since the late 80s and not one win, yet they're great.
I can't say that the argument that they are great is wrong, but I don't know where it comes from.
Stayed in division 1 longer consecutively than anyone else? Yep! Won more league titles than anyone else? Nope but they do have 6 consecutive in mid to late 1930s! I'm fairly sure none of those players are still on the panel.
Ah well. I guess getting beaten by Antrim in two weeks will be what we deserve too.
One thing though I'm 100% certain of; Management have not once this year sent out a team hoping or even thinking they'd lose. Those calling for Geezer to leave qualify the call by stating that he was an extremely brave and diligent servant to the county. He would have died for his team because of his love for the county! So now that he is team manager, that love has gone? He doesn't care and he just picks a team to massage his ego? Oh I know! It's so he can justify his BIG wage bill!! Yeah I know he gets it funded by sorting out sponsorship to cover it, but don't let that put a stop to the fun of mistruths.
Personally I want him to stay on. I'll go further. Even if Antrim were to beat us Saturday week and we get thumped in the qualifiers first time out, he'll still be there next season. He is a stabilising figure within Armagh and has helped bring the finances into order since he arrived. There's a lot of work still to be done and I don't see us winning anything substantive in the next 10 years. That bit I will gladly take back in spades when you gloat at how wrong I am, but first I have to be wrong. Sorry but that's just my honest, no messing this time opinion and I'm really looking forward to Antrim. Ticket sorted earlier so now just waiting!!!!
I dont disagree, I dont generally like what ifs but I think it is fairly clear that Mayo would have a couple of AIs but for that Dublin team. Its not a what if. Also, we would have won the AI in 05 if McGrane had have been able to pick the ball of the ground. Thats not a what if, thats a definite. And no, I havent gotten over thatIt was a little tongue in cheek, but many do count them as great, even on here as they're constantly used to compare against. That's not hard to find.
But then again you've just done the same as the comments about Armagh [not necessarily by you by the way, but "what if?"
What if Dublin hadn't been so good?
What if Armagh had of beaten Galway last year in the quarter final
What if Armagh had of beaten Galway in the league a few weeks back
What if Armagh had of Beaten Mayo
What if Armagh had of beaten Kerry
What if Mayo had of scored an extra point against............
The main point I was making is that many measure a good team by winning the AI. Great teams win many. Those are not my words but those of others across multiple sources. To lose at any stage is just unacceptable. Carry that to a logical conclusion would mean never competing for the fear of losing and being labelled a failure, because to have a winner there has to be numerous winners.
I agree with your "humble opinion" and even if I didn't I still respect you giving it. However you cannot finish correcting me by saying "Only for a generational Dublin team they would probably have a couple of all Ireland’s". By your own comments previously, how could that possibly stand up? Only for Tyrone Armagh would probably have won a second in 2003, maybe a 3rd in 2005. Only for Joe's tactics against Fermanagh in 2004 we could have won a 4th
What if??
Dublin are widely regarded as the best team ever and they hammered everyone bar that mayo team so that mayo team would definitely have 2 at least.I dont disagree, I dont generally like what ifs but I think it is fairly clear that Mayo would have a couple of AIs but for that Dublin team. Its not a what if. Also, we would have won the AI in 05 if McGrane had have been able to pick the ball of the ground. Thats not a what if, thats a definite. And no, I havent gotten over that
FFS. I know that exact moment you are referring to. You've reopened a true 'what if' memory thats taken me years to get overI dont disagree, I dont generally like what ifs but I think it is fairly clear that Mayo would have a couple of AIs but for that Dublin team. Its not a what if. Also, we would have won the AI in 05 if McGrane had have been able to pick the ball of the ground. Thats not a what if, thats a definite. And no, I havent gotten over that
I do apologise haha but that moment has stuck with me for near 20 years now so I am sharing the painFFS. I know that exact moment you are referring to. You've reopened a true 'what if' memory thats taken me years to get over
Or if Barry O'Hagan had kicked the ball dead2000 Semi Final replay: what if Brian White had done the correct thing and given the Kerry defender his second yellow card after mowing down Marsden
Might need a thread of it's ownBrian White- same boyo never sent off Kevin Hughes for clothes line tackle of Paddy McKeever.
Smiley wee bollox was happy to flash cards of all sorts to anything wearing an Orange Jersey.
Jaysus what a can of worms have we opened up on this thread!
One of the ultimates and a hard one to watch againOr if Barry O'Hagan had kicked the ball dead