gael_force_orchard
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Would likw to think that there isn't sufficient support and its status quo for a year. Relook next season. Certainly doesnt seem to be support from ulster council for plan b
New Football Season Format
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ragingbull
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Well on the Armagh club's for voting against the new format
Armaghball
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Good to hear
gael_force_orchard
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Apparently overseas delegates carry 19% of the vote for this motion. Down rumoured to be voting in favour as well, 9 other counties voting in favour and the GAA president in favour and actively lobbying for B. This motion will pass and it will destroy the game. Putting teams in division 3 & 4 in the all ireland series is a joke, they will play one game, get a hammering and be put out.
PatMustard
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How will the Ulster counties be voting?
gael_force_orchard
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Armagh against, Down rumoured to be for
gael_force_orchard
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Longford, Leitrim, Wexford, Westmesth, Louth, Kildare, Offaly, Meath, all in favour.
JoeH
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Problem is I don't think the ramifications of option B have been laid out.
The new preseason tournament is your provincial championship which carries NO value anymore.
Then a county team plays seven league games - not championship games as some are twisting it.
If you finish 6,7,8th in division 1: 4th-8th in division 2 and don't finish top of div 3 or div 4 you don't play for Sam Maguire.
In fact the teams from Div 1 stop playing as that's it for them. Anyone guess where those players might go to?
Then when you enter the championship you will have played ten inter county games in just over 3months 14 weeks or something like that.
Option B has so many issues it's not funny.
Let's compare it to our own leagues in Armagh.
Same setup as in 1A,1B etc.
You play 7 league games and are then told top 5 in 1A and top 3 in 1B enter the championship. The rest of you wait until next year to play again.
Replicate that into division 2 and modify for Division 3.
This motion would fail at convention and miserably.
But it's ok to do this for county.
The shop window.
The strong will stay strong.
The best players may move counties.
Clubs will be affected.
Counties eager to succeed will spend a lot of money in team preparation trying to dine at the top table.
Make no mistake. If option B passes we are heading towards professional GAA teams,no provinces and we in the six counties kicked to the kerb as we are a blight on the association.
Why was there no clamour for change in the 70s and 80s when Kerry were dominant?
Bring everyone else up a level to get closer to Dublin and even with all their resources they didn't win this year.
Change is needed but sensible changes.
A two way league?
Allow the provincial winners into QFinals
Keep the league. Players need time to adjust and all players in all sports want to play to their highest level. Option B seems to want to put players at lower levels.
The new preseason tournament is your provincial championship which carries NO value anymore.
Then a county team plays seven league games - not championship games as some are twisting it.
If you finish 6,7,8th in division 1: 4th-8th in division 2 and don't finish top of div 3 or div 4 you don't play for Sam Maguire.
In fact the teams from Div 1 stop playing as that's it for them. Anyone guess where those players might go to?
Then when you enter the championship you will have played ten inter county games in just over 3months 14 weeks or something like that.
Option B has so many issues it's not funny.
Let's compare it to our own leagues in Armagh.
Same setup as in 1A,1B etc.
You play 7 league games and are then told top 5 in 1A and top 3 in 1B enter the championship. The rest of you wait until next year to play again.
Replicate that into division 2 and modify for Division 3.
This motion would fail at convention and miserably.
But it's ok to do this for county.
The shop window.
The strong will stay strong.
The best players may move counties.
Clubs will be affected.
Counties eager to succeed will spend a lot of money in team preparation trying to dine at the top table.
Make no mistake. If option B passes we are heading towards professional GAA teams,no provinces and we in the six counties kicked to the kerb as we are a blight on the association.
Why was there no clamour for change in the 70s and 80s when Kerry were dominant?
Bring everyone else up a level to get closer to Dublin and even with all their resources they didn't win this year.
Change is needed but sensible changes.
A two way league?
Allow the provincial winners into QFinals
Keep the league. Players need time to adjust and all players in all sports want to play to their highest level. Option B seems to want to put players at lower levels.
PatMustard
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The GAA are becoming like those crooks at FIFA . It’s all about the money. I’m certain now they’ll get their plan B
A league as championship is nonsense. Knockout is the only way but that won’t generate millions. No, let’s drag it out, with the same teams playing each other again and again.
Our match with Monaghan this year is what it’s all about. Close game, kick of a ball between the teams. The excitement that we might do this, then the devastation when we lost. That’s how it should be!
And that’s the end of the Ulster championship as well. They killed the Hurling, while not at the same standard, was still valued by a lot of people. Now they’ve killed the best product in the GAA calendar
A league as championship is nonsense. Knockout is the only way but that won’t generate millions. No, let’s drag it out, with the same teams playing each other again and again.
Our match with Monaghan this year is what it’s all about. Close game, kick of a ball between the teams. The excitement that we might do this, then the devastation when we lost. That’s how it should be!
And that’s the end of the Ulster championship as well. They killed the Hurling, while not at the same standard, was still valued by a lot of people. Now they’ve killed the best product in the GAA calendar
ragingbull
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How do you know that
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Armagh_paul
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think the crookedness has been around for a good while nowHopefully option B gets the nod tomorrow.
Change needs to happen. In what other sport would you spend four months playing 10-12 warm up games, then take a month or two off, and then eventually get round to playing your small handful of meaningful games (just 2 games for half the country)? Take a step back and appreciate how nuts that all is. 84%+ of your season spent warming up ffs!
The intercounty football season has always had something of a charming absurdity, but this absurdity has taken a toxic turn in recent years. Players, supporters, whole counties even, are turning off and turning away from the game. What's the point in a depressing, dragged out season just to get round to your two annual summer hammerings?
Option B is not without its faults, and if passed will surely be refined in the coming years, but it represents a massive stride in the right direction. Every team in the country getting multiple winnable games over the course of the spring and summer, culminating in a knock out series to decide our overall champion. That is light years ahead of the archaic stuff we have now.
Change needs to happen. In what other sport would you spend four months playing 10-12 warm up games, then take a month or two off, and then eventually get round to playing your small handful of meaningful games (just 2 games for half the country)? Take a step back and appreciate how nuts that all is. 84%+ of your season spent warming up ffs!
The intercounty football season has always had something of a charming absurdity, but this absurdity has taken a toxic turn in recent years. Players, supporters, whole counties even, are turning off and turning away from the game. What's the point in a depressing, dragged out season just to get round to your two annual summer hammerings?
Option B is not without its faults, and if passed will surely be refined in the coming years, but it represents a massive stride in the right direction. Every team in the country getting multiple winnable games over the course of the spring and summer, culminating in a knock out series to decide our overall champion. That is light years ahead of the archaic stuff we have now.
JoeH
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Option B is simply not the right answer. Your analogy of multiple winning games - the league - is misleading.
A team can take part in the league and lose them all.
The knock out series will only mean the strong get stronger. The top teams will always make it
Putting a motion in and passing it to tweak it and tweak it and tweak it is not good enough.
These motions were out together pre covid. They are not right. Should be withdrawn or voted out.
Change is needed for sure but three years of option B is not the way
gael_force_orchard
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Ive said it once and will say it again, if the gaa are hell bent on league as championship then Div 1 & 2 are All Ireland and 3 & 4 are All Ireland B. Run the leagues off then draw 4 groups of 4 for All Ireland and second tier. Play your 3 group games round robin and top 2 in each group get to quarter finals. Each team gets league and minimum 3 championship games. Promotion and relegation between leagues. If a team not in top 2 in division 3 wins the all Ireland B then promote them to Division 2 at expense of the other team. Fair, simple and even. Cant believe Option B is on the agenda over this
PatMustard
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What time is the vote?
gael_force_orchard
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Honestly thought it would have been railroaded through. One more season of status quo won't hurt. Time to get it right and bring something back next year that is fit for purpose.
Few would have been against some sort of reform but the options on offer were not good. The cure was worse than the disease. Counties like Sligo and Leitrim should look at getting their own house in order. Every county has the potential to be competitive if the right structures are put in place.
Disappointing lack of fortitude today. Option B wasn’t perfect, but it would have broken chains that need to be broken, and gotten the ball rolling in the direction we need to head.
This issue will just be revisited time and again for the foreseeable, until delegates eventually find the nerve to pull the trigger.
It’s just a pity we couldn’t started down the path before our outdated, oppressive system does even more damage to the intercounty game. The status quo was the worst outcome today, and it’s what we’ve ended up with.
This issue will just be revisited time and again for the foreseeable, until delegates eventually find the nerve to pull the trigger.
It’s just a pity we couldn’t started down the path before our outdated, oppressive system does even more damage to the intercounty game. The status quo was the worst outcome today, and it’s what we’ve ended up with.