Ulster Championship 2019 First Up It's Down 19th May

[POINTMAN]

I have to laugh at the Cross men on here - any chance for a dig at McGeeney. That wee shoulder is labelled as "a disgrace". If John or Tony Mc did it, it would be fine. It was literally bugger all. Wise up lads - you secretly want the team to fail to get the "Geezer Out" banner a day in the sunshine.

The shite talked on here about the starting team being crap etc and if we lose the manager must go - load of bullshit. The posts going up during normal time on this forum calling for McGeeney to go. That's the disgrace bit if you ask me! Yet, Jarly, young Nugent and Kennedy were excellent. Credit where credit is due lads. Ethan was poor granted.

Don't worry lads - we won't win the All-Ireland - so, the McGeeney out brigade will get their day in the sun sometime this year. I seriously smell a similar scenario of "The team the two Brian's built" here. Joe came in to put the finishing touches on the two Brian's team. Maybe it will be McEntee that inherits McGeeney's hard work over the last number of year with a basket case of a team back then. Whatever you say about McGeeney, he is Armagh to the Core.

Cross men???
Not me.
Granted I am not a fan of Geezer - tactically weak I think and poor reading of and changes during a match - but going on to the field and (gently) nudging an opposing player? Why?
If an opposing manager did that to one of our players- what would he be called here?
Win or lose - show respect and a sense of fair play.

 

[Armagh_paul]

I have to laugh at the Cross men on here - any chance for a dig at McGeeney. That wee shoulder is labelled as "a disgrace". If John or Tony Mc did it, it would be fine. It was literally bugger all. Wise up lads - you secretly want the team to fail to get the "Geezer Out" banner a day in the sunshine.

The shite talked on here about the starting team being crap etc and if we lose the manager must go - load of bullshit. The posts going up during normal time on this forum calling for McGeeney to go. That's the disgrace bit if you ask me! Yet, Jarly, young Nugent and Kennedy were excellent. Credit where credit is due lads. Ethan was poor granted.

Don't worry lads - we won't win the All-Ireland - so, the McGeeney out brigade will get their day in the sun sometime this year. I seriously smell a similar scenario of "The team the two Brian's built" here. Joe came in to put the finishing touches on the two Brian's team. Maybe it will be McEntee that inherits McGeeney's hard work over the last number of year with a basket case of a team back then. Whatever you say about McGeeney, he is Armagh to the Core.

I think that is exactly what will happen. McGeeney certainly deserves credit for building this team over the last number of years.

I do not want to see McGeeney fail but more importantly the most talented team we have had in over a decade fail either.

 

[sweetleftfoot]

I have to laugh at the Cross men on here - any chance for a dig at McGeeney. That wee shoulder is labelled as "a disgrace". If John or Tony Mc did it, it would be fine. It was literally bugger all. Wise up lads - you secretly want the team to fail to get the "Geezer Out" banner a day in the sunshine.

The shite talked on here about the starting team being crap etc and if we lose the manager must go - load of bullshit. The posts going up during normal time on this forum calling for McGeeney to go. That's the disgrace bit if you ask me! Yet, Jarly, young Nugent and Kennedy were excellent. Credit where credit is due lads. Ethan was poor granted.

Don't worry lads - we won't win the All-Ireland - so, the McGeeney out brigade will get their day in the sun sometime this year. I seriously smell a similar scenario of "The team the two Brian's built" here. Joe came in to put the finishing touches on the two Brian's team. Maybe it will be McEntee that inherits McGeeney's hard work over the last number of year with a basket case of a team back then. Whatever you say about McGeeney, he is Armagh to the Core.

Id say if McEntee inherited the team we have at the minute there would be a few lads been shown the door out.

 

[bcb1]

I have to laugh at the Cross men on here - any chance for a dig at McGeeney. That wee shoulder is labelled as "a disgrace". If John or Tony Mc did it, it would be fine. It was literally bugger all. Wise up lads - you secretly want the team to fail to get the "Geezer Out" banner a day in the sunshine.

The shite talked on here about the starting team being crap etc and if we lose the manager must go - load of bullshit. The posts going up during normal time on this forum calling for McGeeney to go. That's the disgrace bit if you ask me! Yet, Jarly, young Nugent and Kennedy were excellent. Credit where credit is due lads. Ethan was poor granted.

Don't worry lads - we won't win the All-Ireland - so, the McGeeney out brigade will get their day in the sun sometime this year. I seriously smell a similar scenario of "The team the two Brian's built" here. Joe came in to put the finishing touches on the two Brian's team. Maybe it will be McEntee that inherits McGeeney's hard work over the last number of year with a basket case of a team back then. Whatever you say about McGeeney, he is Armagh to the Core.

I have to call you out on this. There are 2 posters who have posted since the game that are openly Cross supports, myself and @itsouryear . I said that what Geezer did was embarrassing and out of line, which many others have said and agree with and itsouryear didn't mention the incident at all. Not one single poster of any club or creed said what he did was 'a disgrace'. I was critical of the management for some subs and said they got some of them right. The only poster who was overly critical of the management on here was a Cullyhanna poster. The management do not have a free pass from criticism and given what has happened in the last 5 years I wouldn't be jumping up and down about a single point victory against one of the worst Down teams I have seen in years which was very nearly lost on 2 occasions. It was a positive result but there are still a lot of negatives and the management and players have to be responsible for rectifying these problems.

As for McGeeney taking over a 'basket case of a team back then' thats BS too. The 'basket case' he took over had been been beaten narrowly by Ulster champions Donegal in the AI 1/4 finals the previous year and they were stable in Division 2 if I recall. To say it was a 'basket case' is revisionism of the highest quality and more likely bullshit on the proper level. Being Armagh to the core does not mean he is the right man for the job. I am not saying he is or isn't but FFS Damien McCullough aka Tigger is Armagh to the core....would you have him over the team?

 

[Nab14]

I have to call you out on this. There are 2 posters who have posted since the game that are openly Cross supports, myself and @itsouryear . I said that what Geezer did was embarrassing and out of line, which many others have said and agree with and itsouryear didn't mention the incident at all. Not one single poster of any club or creed said what he did was 'a disgrace'. I was critical of the management for some subs and said they got some of them right. The only poster who was overly critical of the management on here was a Cullyhanna poster. The management do not have a free pass from criticism and given what has happened in the last 5 years I wouldn't be jumping up and down about a single point victory against one of the worst Down teams I have seen in years which was very nearly lost on 2 occasions. It was a positive result but there are still a lot of negatives and the management and players have to be responsible for rectifying these problems.

As for McGeeney taking over a 'basket case of a team back then' thats BS too. The 'basket case' he took over had been been beaten narrowly by Ulster champions Donegal in the AI 1/4 finals the previous year and they were stable in Division 2 if I recall. To say it was a 'basket case' is revisionism of the highest quality and more likely bullshit on the proper level. Being Armagh to the core does not mean he is the right man for the job. I am not saying he is or isn't but FFS Damien McCullough aka Tigger is Armagh to the core....would you have him over the team?

Yesterday’s 26, the average age is around 25/6 going off the programme.

From the matchday 26 yesterday, 8 were in the 26 vs Donegal in 2014 by my reckoning.

This apparently great team before geezer took over had been relegated to division 3 in 2014.

In 2013 they were beaten by Cavan in the prelimary round and beaten in the 3rd round qualifiers.

In 2012 beat 1/4 finals Ulster by Tyrone then beat 1st round qualifiers by Roscommon.

In 2011 beat by Derry in Ulster semi then Tyrone in 2nd round qualifiers (after beating wicklow by a replay).

Hardly the hallmark of a great team.

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but facts can’t be ignored, there has been lows in geezers reign but overall he has brought the county forward and should be respected for this and has built this talented team from top to bottom.

Now, can we forget about supporting/defending management for the rest of the season and support the players. After all they’re the ones on the pitch.

 

[sweetleftfoot]

I have to call you out on this. There are 2 posters who have posted since the game that are openly Cross supports, myself and @itsouryear . I said that what Geezer did was embarrassing and out of line, which many others have said and agree with and itsouryear didn't mention the incident at all. Not one single poster of any club or creed said what he did was 'a disgrace'. I was critical of the management for some subs and said they got some of them right. The only poster who was overly critical of the management on here was a Cullyhanna poster. The management do not have a free pass from criticism and given what has happened in the last 5 years I wouldn't be jumping up and down about a single point victory against one of the worst Down teams I have seen in years which was very nearly lost on 2 occasions. It was a positive result but there are still a lot of negatives and the management and players have to be responsible for rectifying these problems.

As for McGeeney taking over a 'basket case of a team back then' thats BS too. The 'basket case' he took over had been been beaten narrowly by Ulster champions Donegal in the AI 1/4 finals the previous year and they were stable in Division 2 if I recall. To say it was a 'basket case' is revisionism of the highest quality and more likely bullshit on the proper level. Being Armagh to the core does not mean he is the right man for the job. I am not saying he is or isn't but FFS Damien McCullough aka Tigger is Armagh to the core....would you have him over the team?

Fully agree. The team that was narrowly beaten by Donegal was far better than the team we currently have. Number of players that are more than good enough to make an Armagh team and more than likely would still be in the Armagh if it was wasnt for McGeeney.

 

[Ogs lad]

Clarke has not appeared at a match, training session or any event for the club this year and has made his feelings clear that he will not play for the club. @PatMustard , he is registered with us and unless he gets a transfer he will not play for any other club. The only likely destination for him will be a team perhaps overseas. Is he being given allowances because of what he can do? Would anyone else get away with it? I will let other people comment on that but frankly I find it hard to fathom that this is being facilitated.

Always value your opinion bcb1, not sure if we've ever met, but you are a fountain of measured knowledge. Re the Clarke debacle with Cross, I know of an individual who was previously on the panel under McGeeney, for whatever reason had fell out with his club, but was told it wouldn't be an issue as long as he fulfilled everything Armagh asked of him. In short, playing club would appear to be irrelevant. Jamie has connections in Meath I've heard so would he possibly kick ball there? Tis a shame, whatever the grievance is

 

[Armagh_paul]

I don't think it is completely fair to blame McGeeney for players leaving. He has dedicated a lot of time to Armagh as a player and continues to do so as a manager. There may be some players that haven't been able to come to terms with the level of commitment McGeeney expects and have opted out of playing county football. However, we all knew that any team McGeeney is involved in he will want nothing less than 100% commitment and players were going to go.

 

[PatMustard]

Granted I am not a fan of Geezer - tactically weak I think and poor reading of and changes during a match - but going on to the field and (gently) nudging an opposing player? Why?
If an opposing manager did that to one of our players- what would he be called here?
Win or lose - show respect and a sense of fair play.

Yes I have to agree. Another manager does it to one of our players, and we’d all be outraged.

It was uncalled for and petty, and he made himself look silly. A ban probably on the way, and he can have no complaints really.

I thought if anything, it seemed to fire Down up for ET. They went 3 up and it could have been a big turning point.

 

[niall1980]

Fully agree. The team that was narrowly beaten by Donegal was far better than the team we currently have. Number of players that are more than good enough to make an Armagh team and more than likely would still be in the Armagh if it was wasnt for McGeeney.

Ok, I will bite. Name them

 

[Armagh_paul]

2014 team vs Donegal

P McEvoy
F Moriarty
C Vernon
A Mallon
M Shields
B Donaghy
A Kernan
S Harold
A Findon
A Forker
K Dyas
T Kernan
K Carragher
S Campbell
J Clarke.

Subs
B Mallon
E Rafferty
R Grugan
K Dyas
M Murray
K Toner


2019 team vs Down

B Hughes
P Burns
B Donaghy
P Hughes
R Kennedy
A McKay
A Forker
C Vernon
J Og Burns
J Hall
E Rafferty
A Nugent
R Grugan
R O’Neill
J Clarke

Subs

J Morgan
M Shields
J McIlroy
S Campbell
S Sheridan
G McCabe
Kennedy
B Crealey
A Murnin


What happened to Findon - I know it has been asked on here before but never seen the responses/forgot to check.

 

[Tango]

Yes I have to agree. Another manager does it to one of our players, and we’d all be outraged.

It was uncalled for and petty, and he made himself look silly. A ban probably on the way, and he can have no complaints really.

I thought if anything, it seemed to fire Down up for ET. They went 3 up and it could have been a big turning point.

Very few seen the McGeeney shoulder most people where watching Morgan and Mooney going at it and i’d say that’s what fired down up more.

Everyone questioning McGeeney should also question McCorry, Toal, McKeever, Hollywood and whoever else is linked to the management team.

 

[Orangeade]

I think Charlie should start at full back, Cavan would have seen today’s game and now realise we are dodgy under the high ball so dont be surprised if you see gearoid mckiernan playing some sort of game time on the edge of the square.

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Totally agree about Charlie starting full back,, we have a relatively small keeper, McKay at full back is not the biggest either,
Donaghy just seems to have lost something from his game wether it's age or what but he seems to be standing off when he should be closing down the man with the ball and again under the high ball he just doesn't look comfortable. Start Vernon full back get Morgan, Hughes etc mopping up the breaks around him, Cavan looked a big outfit and I'd imagine will want to utilise that in and around our square

 

[Applecore]

I have to laugh at the Cross men on here - any chance for a dig at McGeeney. That wee shoulder is labelled as "a disgrace". If John or Tony Mc did it, it would be fine. It was literally bugger all. Wise up lads - you secretly want the team to fail to get the "Geezer Out" banner a day in the sunshine.

The shite talked on here about the starting team being crap etc and if we lose the manager must go - load of bullshit. The posts going up during normal time on this forum calling for McGeeney to go. That's the disgrace bit if you ask me! Yet, Jarly, young Nugent and Kennedy were excellent. Credit where credit is due lads. Ethan was poor granted.

Don't worry lads - we won't win the All-Ireland - so, the McGeeney out brigade will get their day in the sun sometime this year. I seriously smell a similar scenario of "The team the two Brian's built" here. Joe came in to put the finishing touches on the two Brian's team. Maybe it will be McEntee that inherits McGeeney's hard work over the last number of year with a basket case of a team back then. Whatever you say about McGeeney, he is Armagh to the Core.

Trying to defend the shoulder into McKernan is ludicrous. Very innocuous, Mckernan made little of it but geezer will no doubt get another sideline ban - that will be his 3rd or 4th in his term as manager? I find it difficult to understand how you serve your team well sitting in the stands or moreso, how do you preach discipline to the team when you are running about threatening linesmen and shouldering opposition players. Passionate, yes, but That kind of indiscipline is what the team has been suffering from and holding it back over the last number of years - silly frees being given away etc.

The victory yesterday was most important, but I would question those saying the great job Kieran has done in building the squad over the last few years. The proof is in the pudding, results! and to date they have been so up and down and unpredictable, surely they couldn't be considered a successful tenure. One win against down, especially in the unconvincing manner of the victory yesterday, doesn't constitute a success. Surely a team building for 5 years, with the addition of 3 quality forwards of Rian, Jamie and soupy should be putting that down team to the sword. Is there a method of play, a game plan... it's hard to really see. I completely disagree with the shouting from the stands, calling for his head during seasons but I think we can all have a mature debate on it without being accused of secretely wanting our team to fail, clubs being slandered etc.

 

[sweetleftfoot]

Ok, I will bite. Name them

Aaron Kernan for one. Roasted Vernon few weeks back In leag

Ok, I will bite. Name them

aaron kernan and Kyle carragher.
Kernan gave vernon a lesson in football a few weeks back.

 

[niall1980]

Aaron Kernan for one. Roasted Vernon few weeks back In leag

aaron kernan and Kyle carragher.
Kernan gave vernon a lesson in football a few weeks back.

And you know for a fact that both would be playing if not for McGeeney? Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see AK back but didn’t he say it was nothing to do with NcGeeney why he left? Carragher doesn’t get in the team

 

[ragingbull]

Armagh have 4 players in team of the week! Donaghy,Burns,O'Neill & Murnin!

 

[sweetleftfoot]

And you know for a fact that both would be playing if not for McGeeney? Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see AK back but didn’t he say it was nothing to do with NcGeeney why he left? Carragher doesn’t get in the team

He came out and said that but he also said that a member of McGeeneys back room team had called to him and said he was no longer required and there was no place for him..
Think we all would love to see him back and I don’t think armagh can afford to have a player of his talents not playing for his county. Any other county in our position would have him playing and more than likely captain

 

[portadownarmaghfan]

Also the whole McGeeney incident with McKernan was embarrassing and out of line for his part. As a manager you need to have a bit of coolness and leadership and in that one incident this was lacking. If the rules are applied he could be looking at 12 weeks in the stand.

Would have to wholeheartedly agree with this. Such behaviour can never be condoned or qualified either before during or after a match or be it at club level or county level.

 

[PutTheHighBallInLow]

Armagh have 4 players in team of the week! Donaghy,Burns,O'Neill & Murnin!

Donaghy REALLY ?
And Murnin, although he made a match winning appearance (10 mins) would hardly qualify for team of the week.