Armaghball
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Seriously? Our best player by a mile along with Soupy yesterday.
Ulster Championship 2023
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Armaghball
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Could he not have squared it for Turbitt? Haven’t seen the replay but looked that way live
Armaghball
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Proud of each and every one of those lads. Obviously didn’t go our way but they gave absolutely everything for the orange jersey and do so every single day putting their lives almost on hold to represent us.
Never forget that when we’re analysing who should have done what or who’s useless etc etc. As gutted as we all are, the lads and management are feeling the same x1000 today.
Thanks to each and every one of them. Plenty more football to be played to lets row in behind them now and turn the place orange against Galway, Tyrone and Westmeath.
Never forget that when we’re analysing who should have done what or who’s useless etc etc. As gutted as we all are, the lads and management are feeling the same x1000 today.
Thanks to each and every one of them. Plenty more football to be played to lets row in behind them now and turn the place orange against Galway, Tyrone and Westmeath.
Armaghball
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Also well done to the ladies yesterday. Serious scoring and just on another level to that Cavan team. Aimee Mackin is the lgfa’s David Clifford. Good to see plenty in to support them as well.
Orchard Apples
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Absolutely gutted to lose like that in penalties but the lads made us proud. Perhaps it's better they make the mistakes now and learn something rather than do them down the line in a quarter or semi final (hopefully).
ArmaghMartin
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Still haven't got over yesterday. And I think it will take some time to. We had the chance off beating Derry but we simply could not take advantage of it. 2 points up we should have seen the game out from there. God knows when we will get a chance like that again.
Not confident off making it out the group we are drawn in also
Not confident off making it out the group we are drawn in also
Armaghball
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Beat Westmeath and we’re more or less in prelim. Play like yesterday but tighten up on the mistakes and silly shit and we’re a match for anyone
Patrick-Armagh
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This is the problem, we don't learn. We were in the exact same position yesterday as we were against Galway last season and let it slip again. That's what I find so discouraging.
Thankfully we start with Westmeath at home. That is game we must win and no better one to get us up and going again. I wouldn't have fancied an away trip to Omagh first thing up. Let's put in a good performance against Westmeath and attack the rest of the games with a bit of confidence, knowing that we can match the best teams. Tyrone have been sitting cold for weeks now. We are battled hardened and in full flow despite yesterdays big disappointment. We've shown that we are a match for them and have more players back from when we played in the league. With a win against Westmeath (and hopefully a Tyrone loss to Galway) we could go into that game with confidence and them under pressure. Playing Galway at a neutral venue would give us a better chance. They've been a real bogey team for us. They are arguably second favourites for the All Ireland, so that will be a good test to see where we are against that level of opposition.
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DOUGIE
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And I took the bait,shouldve known better with bull
Armaghball
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I thought it was maybe a new tactic where he was going to jump up and block the ball. Didnt see him rubbing the nose at the time but was told he was pretending to sniff a line of powder….
William Of Orange
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ill have to watch that on the replay , which will be never , that game goes into the library of matches I never want to see again .
Heart breaking loss, fans where great and atmosphere was electric, proud of how we dug out the draw and should of won imo, a few of our forwards didn't show up and leaving glass to have the run of clones seemed a bad move, the lads did us proud and should hold their heads up high. that's a defeat that hurts because Grugan had a chance to win it along with burns goal chance, that's a loss that actually makes me think Armagh are better than before the start of the match, Armagh have room to improve but Derry don't have that much, outside Doherty their top players all played well where as Armagh had a few quite forwards and players injured.
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I don’t get people who rewatch losses. I never do. Once is enough
The Dark Knight
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Proud Armagh man today! Almighty effort. Rian, Ciaran Mackin, Soupy, Ethan, where the highlights for me. Congrats to Derry, met many a fine Derry Gaels at the match and as nice as folk as you’ll meet and wished us well. Great game for our sport.
Armagh_paul
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Did anyone else find Derry boring to watch?
ragingbull
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I bet the Cross ones have watched the 2021 club county final back again lol
Peter grimes
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I rewatch losses.
In terms of endeavour I thought we were the better team. We moved the ball better and stood up well to the physical contest.
But 3 things that cost us were inaccuracy ( basically wides), indiscipline (pointless niggle and “afters”) and game management.
Great player though Rogers, and his 2 points were majestic, Derry’s goal was a fluke. And we spent most of the game chasing that 3 pointer down. The shots we missed were not gimmies where you nail them 10 times out of ten but the conversion rate needed to be higher. And if we had reeled Derry in earlier I feel we would have won.
I get the macho approach. Laying down the marker that we won’t be bullied but we are perpetually involved in self defeating acts. Frees being moved up is the obvious one but the pointless cards and ticks needs to be addressed. Any forward wants their marker on a warning. We give that away too easily.
Kick outs when defending a lead, pressing Derry when they are a man down and want to run down the clock through lateral passing all fall under game management. Derry make better decisions than us. Cue the debate as to where responsibility for that lies.
We are not far off. The material is there. Small but fundamental (not a contradiction in this instance) changes are needed.
In terms of endeavour I thought we were the better team. We moved the ball better and stood up well to the physical contest.
But 3 things that cost us were inaccuracy ( basically wides), indiscipline (pointless niggle and “afters”) and game management.
Great player though Rogers, and his 2 points were majestic, Derry’s goal was a fluke. And we spent most of the game chasing that 3 pointer down. The shots we missed were not gimmies where you nail them 10 times out of ten but the conversion rate needed to be higher. And if we had reeled Derry in earlier I feel we would have won.
I get the macho approach. Laying down the marker that we won’t be bullied but we are perpetually involved in self defeating acts. Frees being moved up is the obvious one but the pointless cards and ticks needs to be addressed. Any forward wants their marker on a warning. We give that away too easily.
Kick outs when defending a lead, pressing Derry when they are a man down and want to run down the clock through lateral passing all fall under game management. Derry make better decisions than us. Cue the debate as to where responsibility for that lies.
We are not far off. The material is there. Small but fundamental (not a contradiction in this instance) changes are needed.
Peter grimes
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Yes. Very effective. But it’s football by numbers largely
northarmaghgael
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Tyrone in Omagh is massive of us
Where do you even start to try and analyse an epic Ulster final that had absolutely everything?
If you are an Armagh supporter you will probably feel it should never have got as far as penalties, with the winning of the game there in normal time.
Had Rory Grugan stroked over s dead ball at the last, that surely would have been that. After coming back on having earlier been subbed, it would have made Mickey Harte’s move with Peter Canavan in ’03 look like the French Defense – the most basic move in chess.
A masterstroke but just missing that final execution. It was far from an easy kick, it has to be said.
Another huge talking point will be whether Jarlath Og Burns was right to take a point, or should he have gone for the jugular and worked the goal at the end of the first half of extra-time.
For once, Derry’s high press on the Armagh kick-out was completely wiped out by a long Ethan Rafferty delivery and the goal was on.
A three-point lead at that stage would have been massive, but then again just getting ahead on the scoreboard was crucial going into the last 10 minutes.
The critics only deal in the currency of hindsight, and will always judge the validity of the decision on what the outcome of the game was.
So probably the wrong call. In my preview last week, I talked up the potential influence each goalkeeper might have on the outcome.
In fairness, both men were superb but after the drama of penalties, Odhran Lynch showed the most basic art of shot-stopping can still be the daddy of them all when it comes to goalkeeping. Some of his saves wouldn’t have been out of place in a World Cup.
Read more: How the Derry players rated in the Ulster final
While much will be made of the penalty shoot-out, the way Shane McGuigan almost single-handedly dragged Derry back from the brink in extra-time was crucial.
Two huge points from play; a free converted by Niall Toner when he was fouled; a free from 55 yards and a ball won at midfield for Lachlan Murray’s point.
Five massive contributions. If McGuigan’s almost virtuoso performance was crucial then so was the blistering start and impact of Slaughtneil clubmate Brendan Rogers who put 1-2 on the board in the first half. The balls won at midfield by Ciaran McFaul and Conor Glass were also massive moments when Armagh had really turned the heat up.
But had Grugan converted his mark, the talking point would have been the Derry kick-out Rian O’Neill won to ignite the move. The winning of this thrilling contest came down to such small margins.
There were so many big moments in the game, but the Derry goal was huge and a complete nightmare from an Armagh perspective.
After a nip-and-tuck start it really shifted the balance of the game and left Armagh chasing for the next 68 minutes. Initially, Conor Doherty’s shot was brilliantly blocked but luck shone on Derry as the break spilled into the arms of Paul Cassidy. As his speculative shot swirled into the mixer, it hung in the air.
Ethan Rafferty came but quickly realised he should have stayed and attempted to back-track. Caught between a rock and a hard place, it was a terrible goal to concede as Rogers fisted home. Derry were there for the taking but a goal was a massive momentum shifter so early as it was already set to be a fairly low-scoring encounter.
Read more: How the Armagh players rated in the Ulster final
ARMAGH will surely rue the fact they didn’t go after Derry more during the first half of extra-time when their opponents only had 14 players on the pitch.
Any success they were having on the Derry kick-out towards the end of second half just didn’t continue into extra-time. I felt that playing with the wind and a man up, they would have nailed it. All three kick-outs were played short by Derry and retained fairly comfortably in that 10-minute period.
They pulled everyone outside the 45, and played in a spear formation centrally, before splitting wide and forwards towards Lynch.
Armagh just couldn’t get to grips with it. In fact, the Orchardmen didn’t win any of Derry’s five kick-outs in extra time.
I was surprised with their approach to the Derry kick-out for the most part. Lynch got his first nine restarts away with minimum fuss. Eventually when Armagh pressed up successfully they got rewarded with a wonderful Rian O’Neill score.
With the wind Armagh only managed to win two out of 13 on the Derry kick-out. They were far too cautious in the first half. Had they backed themselves, would the game have even got to extra-time? I’m not so sure it would have. Yet it was Armagh who had to pull the game from the fire at the end.
During the entire game, Armagh had 36 shots at goal to just 28 from Derry. They had 11 wides and another six efforts dropped short or were blocked.
Although, they tried a few times, they never troubled Derry with their attempts to play the long ball in and around the square. You could see the hand signal as the trigger, but I just couldn’t understand why their two best ball-winners, Rian O’Neill and Andrew Murnin, were everywhere but in the square when these balls went in.
On one occasion early in the second half a long ball kicked in by Grugan was caught uncontested by the Derry goalkeeper.
Murnin was on the ‘D’ and O’Neill outside the ‘50’ on that particular move.
I can’t believe for the life of me that this structure could have been part of the script. It was one of those contests neither team deserved to lose, so to get downed on penalties was heartbreaking for Armagh, but a dramatic end to a thrilling encounter.
Back-to-back Ulster titles for the Oak Leafers for the first time since 1976 is some achievement. I’m sure there will be more than a few sore heads around south Derry this morning.
If you are an Armagh supporter you will probably feel it should never have got as far as penalties, with the winning of the game there in normal time.
Had Rory Grugan stroked over s dead ball at the last, that surely would have been that. After coming back on having earlier been subbed, it would have made Mickey Harte’s move with Peter Canavan in ’03 look like the French Defense – the most basic move in chess.
A masterstroke but just missing that final execution. It was far from an easy kick, it has to be said.
Another huge talking point will be whether Jarlath Og Burns was right to take a point, or should he have gone for the jugular and worked the goal at the end of the first half of extra-time.
For once, Derry’s high press on the Armagh kick-out was completely wiped out by a long Ethan Rafferty delivery and the goal was on.
A three-point lead at that stage would have been massive, but then again just getting ahead on the scoreboard was crucial going into the last 10 minutes.
The critics only deal in the currency of hindsight, and will always judge the validity of the decision on what the outcome of the game was.
So probably the wrong call. In my preview last week, I talked up the potential influence each goalkeeper might have on the outcome.
In fairness, both men were superb but after the drama of penalties, Odhran Lynch showed the most basic art of shot-stopping can still be the daddy of them all when it comes to goalkeeping. Some of his saves wouldn’t have been out of place in a World Cup.
Read more: How the Derry players rated in the Ulster final
While much will be made of the penalty shoot-out, the way Shane McGuigan almost single-handedly dragged Derry back from the brink in extra-time was crucial.
Two huge points from play; a free converted by Niall Toner when he was fouled; a free from 55 yards and a ball won at midfield for Lachlan Murray’s point.
Five massive contributions. If McGuigan’s almost virtuoso performance was crucial then so was the blistering start and impact of Slaughtneil clubmate Brendan Rogers who put 1-2 on the board in the first half. The balls won at midfield by Ciaran McFaul and Conor Glass were also massive moments when Armagh had really turned the heat up.
But had Grugan converted his mark, the talking point would have been the Derry kick-out Rian O’Neill won to ignite the move. The winning of this thrilling contest came down to such small margins.
There were so many big moments in the game, but the Derry goal was huge and a complete nightmare from an Armagh perspective.
After a nip-and-tuck start it really shifted the balance of the game and left Armagh chasing for the next 68 minutes. Initially, Conor Doherty’s shot was brilliantly blocked but luck shone on Derry as the break spilled into the arms of Paul Cassidy. As his speculative shot swirled into the mixer, it hung in the air.
Ethan Rafferty came but quickly realised he should have stayed and attempted to back-track. Caught between a rock and a hard place, it was a terrible goal to concede as Rogers fisted home. Derry were there for the taking but a goal was a massive momentum shifter so early as it was already set to be a fairly low-scoring encounter.
Read more: How the Armagh players rated in the Ulster final
ARMAGH will surely rue the fact they didn’t go after Derry more during the first half of extra-time when their opponents only had 14 players on the pitch.
Any success they were having on the Derry kick-out towards the end of second half just didn’t continue into extra-time. I felt that playing with the wind and a man up, they would have nailed it. All three kick-outs were played short by Derry and retained fairly comfortably in that 10-minute period.
They pulled everyone outside the 45, and played in a spear formation centrally, before splitting wide and forwards towards Lynch.
Armagh just couldn’t get to grips with it. In fact, the Orchardmen didn’t win any of Derry’s five kick-outs in extra time.
I was surprised with their approach to the Derry kick-out for the most part. Lynch got his first nine restarts away with minimum fuss. Eventually when Armagh pressed up successfully they got rewarded with a wonderful Rian O’Neill score.
With the wind Armagh only managed to win two out of 13 on the Derry kick-out. They were far too cautious in the first half. Had they backed themselves, would the game have even got to extra-time? I’m not so sure it would have. Yet it was Armagh who had to pull the game from the fire at the end.
During the entire game, Armagh had 36 shots at goal to just 28 from Derry. They had 11 wides and another six efforts dropped short or were blocked.
Although, they tried a few times, they never troubled Derry with their attempts to play the long ball in and around the square. You could see the hand signal as the trigger, but I just couldn’t understand why their two best ball-winners, Rian O’Neill and Andrew Murnin, were everywhere but in the square when these balls went in.
On one occasion early in the second half a long ball kicked in by Grugan was caught uncontested by the Derry goalkeeper.
Murnin was on the ‘D’ and O’Neill outside the ‘50’ on that particular move.
I can’t believe for the life of me that this structure could have been part of the script. It was one of those contests neither team deserved to lose, so to get downed on penalties was heartbreaking for Armagh, but a dramatic end to a thrilling encounter.
Back-to-back Ulster titles for the Oak Leafers for the first time since 1976 is some achievement. I’m sure there will be more than a few sore heads around south Derry this morning.