Ulster Championship 2024
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ragingbull
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It's time gaa do something about goals like that it's basically throwing the ball into the net
William Of Orange
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Agree on the anaylsis piece a bit raw but interesting and insightful , also watched bits of the match I recorded on the BBC , I like Philly McMahon's insights however if you were playing a drinking game every time he says transition , you would be drunk for a week .
William Of Orange
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Its not . Some of the goals finished like that are the best team goals you see with the best movement , how else could you finish it , if you catch it and go to kick it , you would just get swallowed up .
Sean Og
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Armaghball
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And Jarly Og scoring that goal on the ground that soccer craic should be banned too
PatMustard
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I think maybe @ragingbull is referring to a palmed goal, rather than a fisted goal. Which I agree with. Must be a closed fist.
It's really difficult to know what Armagh could have done yesterday to avoid scrutiny.
If the match had been tight "why are we not winning by more?" "why are we not out of sight at half time?"
But then we win by 11 points and were indeed out of sight at half time "a good team would have won by 20".
Had we won by 20 points "yeah but Fermanagh are poor and this tells us nothing".
Yesterday was about nothing more that getting out of Enniskillen with a win and progressing one step closer to the real test of the Ulster Final.
The fact that is was over after 29 minutes was perfect to allow players and management to ease up a little, to avoid injuries and suspensions, to give run-outs to players we want to see getting game time.
Regardless of the quality, yesterday was a positive, and an absolutely essential win to keep us alive in achieving one of two available remaining pieces of silverware this season.
Regarding Down, I knew for sure we would beat them comfortably last year. I'm fairly confident we will win this time round too given the way they performed against Westmeath in the league final and against Antrim on Saturday....but they did easily gain promotion out of Division 3 which suggests some sort of improvement from last season.
If the match had been tight "why are we not winning by more?" "why are we not out of sight at half time?"
But then we win by 11 points and were indeed out of sight at half time "a good team would have won by 20".
Had we won by 20 points "yeah but Fermanagh are poor and this tells us nothing".
Yesterday was about nothing more that getting out of Enniskillen with a win and progressing one step closer to the real test of the Ulster Final.
The fact that is was over after 29 minutes was perfect to allow players and management to ease up a little, to avoid injuries and suspensions, to give run-outs to players we want to see getting game time.
Regardless of the quality, yesterday was a positive, and an absolutely essential win to keep us alive in achieving one of two available remaining pieces of silverware this season.
Regarding Down, I knew for sure we would beat them comfortably last year. I'm fairly confident we will win this time round too given the way they performed against Westmeath in the league final and against Antrim on Saturday....but they did easily gain promotion out of Division 3 which suggests some sort of improvement from last season.
William Of Orange
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winsamsoon
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3.2 A score may be made by striking the ball in flight with the hand(s).
Is it not pretty obvious, score 15+ points
and have our forwards routinely play well in championship games.
We keep relying on goals to put bad teams away because we can’t score enough points. That includes Down last year when we only scored 10 points. We’re wide open for an upset if the other team gets an early goal then dig in defensively. Then we have to go with the whole defensive set up against good teams because if they score 15, we can’t score enough to get near them until the last 5 minutes when we start going all out attack.
PatMustard
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Yeah, but I (or I assume the original poster) wasn’t saying the goal shouldn’t have stood. Merely that the rules need changing, so that it’s a fist only.
PS. While they’re at it, look at the fisted point from the hands as well. That is a total abomination in the game.
thought yesterday was a mature display, we went into the lead early, emptied the bench and didnt chase scores.
yes we have improvements to make but we managed the second half without any difficulty.
win by 20 and the bandwagon is back
incremental and we are still a work in progress
on the subs i didnt think any one of them stepped up.
noticed Greg mc cabe behind the nets we would need him back)
yes we have improvements to make but we managed the second half without any difficulty.
win by 20 and the bandwagon is back
incremental and we are still a work in progress
on the subs i didnt think any one of them stepped up.
noticed Greg mc cabe behind the nets we would need him back)
Id much ratehr they sorted out the steps properly. Either change the rule or enforce it
If you're going to use examples from last year then you should include other games for context:
Armagh 0-20 Antrim 1-08 - 15+ points, no reliance on multiple goals
Cavan 0-12 Armagh 1-14 - ok not 15+points but 15 scores, no reliance on multiple goals
Armagh 0-16 Galway 1-12 - 15+ points, no reliance on multiple goals, and this was against a good team.
We beat Down by 10 points with 14 overall scores, in an Ulster semi-final, I think I'm happy enough with that.
The Westmeath game last year was really the only one that matches your description here.
"We keep relying on goals to put bad teams away" - not agreed.
winsamsoon
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No objection to that either, if a lad is bottled up and can't use his feet then it's an art to score with a fist over the bar.
Armaghball
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Depends on the situation, sometimes theres no choice but Jarly Oh in particular has an awful habit of fisting the ball when he should kick it.
Armaghball
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Armagh- the first team ever to get criticised for scoring too many goals
Armaghball
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Yeah good listen and he came across well.
It does seem at times (especially Monaghan last year) we are guilty of changing to suit the opposition rather than playing to our own strengths, maybe blame isnt totally on management.