MrMaguire2002
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The best 15 who didn't start v Down.
Ulster Championship 2024
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Armaghball
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Did the subs get playing or just boys that didn’t feature at all? Anyone hear how we got on or who did well?
MrMaguire2002
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Know little other than subs started.
Rory Curran
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Something needs doing because Saturdays game was such an awful spectacle. It would put you off Football. Wonder is the lower attendance at matches this year any correlation?
Armaghniac
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Donegal had two full houses.
JoeH
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So it's the goalkeepers problem?
Awful spectacle? What's your concept of a spectacle?
Lemallon
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As expected I dont think there is anywhere near the same hype for this final as there was for Derry game last year. In fact for the first time in many many years I expect us to be outnumbered supporter wise.
An awful lot of complaining about ticket prices. 40 euro for Gerry Arthurs stand is definitely steep , especially for the seats near the front which are truly awful. Some are actually below the playing surface which should not be permitted
An awful lot of complaining about ticket prices. 40 euro for Gerry Arthurs stand is definitely steep , especially for the seats near the front which are truly awful. Some are actually below the playing surface which should not be permitted
Armaghball
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The style of play and performance in the Monaghan qf, Donegal league final and Down games would put a lot off. We get great bandwagoners though.
Rory Curran
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You don't agree that Saturday's match was extremely dull? I didn't say it was the goalkeepers problem simply that perhaps a rule tweak might be a way around the packed defense/ ball retension issue that is taking the enjoyment factor away from many fans, yourself excluded obviously. Correct me if I am wrong but is there not a committee of ex intercounty players looking at this at present at the request of Croke Park?
Armaghball
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We sat off Down and let them have a lot of the ball early doors, should have pushed out and put them under pressure imo.
Would a top team like Dublin or Kerry have let a shite Down team have the ball and build up confidence or would they have laid out a marker from the start that there was only going to be one winner?
Would a top team like Dublin or Kerry have let a shite Down team have the ball and build up confidence or would they have laid out a marker from the start that there was only going to be one winner?
Excellent point. If Dublin had to play Down in Leinster there would be no way that they would have only won by a single point.
Dublin let Roscommon hold it for 6 minutes last year.
Down didn’t pass it around for the craic, they wanted us to press up so they could create an overlap and leave space for their runners. It would’ve been silly of us to fall into such a thinly veiled trap. We got plenty of turnovers when they entered the 45 and a fair few just outside it too. The defensive side had no real issues other than the two soft goals. Our problems started after we had taken the ball off them.
JoeH
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I actually found it intriguing on Saturday
There is no reward for having a spectacle
If the scoreline was 4-18 to 3-19 in favour of Down - 46 scores - would you have been happy with the spectacle and not be in a final or 13-12 in favour of Armagh and being in the final?
For me it's getting to the final - I don't care how we got there.
Yes there are people looking at potential - stress potential - rule changes but that's all based on feedback etc and then has to go through a voting in process.
It's a simple game and rule tweaks in recent years have not helped - the mark being one.
I do implore anyone who finds games these days boring please watch games from previous decades and say what's better then.
We will never ever be as exciting as top level hurling but football is a much much better spectacle than soccer and rugby - when watched in person.
Rory Curran
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Well I am genuinely glad to hear that some people are getting something out of games like that. They are in the minority of the people I speak to about the current game. You are right there is no rewards for spectacles, but perhaps the custodians of our games should try and change something so that there is. That is what I am getting at. I am not a win at all costs type. I think the way you play the game says a lot about character. I think the current style is based more on fear of the opposition hurting you than belief in your own ability to hurt them. If winning is the sole objective why not develop a game than can win.against the best teams because the concensus across all the pundits is that that style of play will not win an All Ireland. As much as I would love to win silverware I would prefer not to bore everyone to death in the process. I do fear for the well being of the game in the future. Will kids really be compelled to go out and dream of being thr 4th sweeper in a packed defence. Each to their own I suppose but not for me. I think the games years ago had competitive battles and fierce competition for every ball and that was part of the reason you couldn't take your eyes off it. The also took more risks ans created more excitement and drama.
SneakyPint
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Is there going to be an online sale for tickets or is clubs only?
ragingbull
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Clubs only so if you're not a member of a club you won't be in the running for a ticket
Ouch It’s Francie
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I applaud teams for setting up the way they do when they clearly have little or no chance of getting within an asses roar of their opponent. I think however the league levels this out and teams can try and open up more against similar opponents.
Deep defensive strategies are more of a symptom of the championship when there are clear underdogs seeking an upset. Match ups are key and the use of technology adds to that process. That said, I love the way these systems are deployed and whether teams have the ability and resilience to stick to the process as well as then being able to move and evolve into a different system when needed.
I think it’s unfair to somehow brand the idea of playing in sophisticated systems as unworthy or beneath players. The game has changed immensely in 20 years. But 20 years ago the game changed immensely from the 20 years before. This is a healthy sign. I remember a Dublin journalist attacking Armagh’s set up and commenting that no child in the country would want to grow up to be a Francie Bellew or Enda McNulty or a Paul McGrane. The narrative was that this “modern” football needs to be eradicated. The year before they’d jumped on Spillane’s “puke football” and we’re whining about the death of the quality player.
Imagine a League 1 team in soccer, say in an FA Cup match, being told that they cannot play a certain way against a Premiership team? It’s more entertaining to see goals so to let’s change the rules, teams are now are not allowed to park the bus…… Arsenal left Man City with a 0-0 draw a number of weeks back - they narrowed the pitch and looked to counter. They weren’t castigated for it.
At the top levels our players have become elite athletes. If we want more room on the pitch, we can’t make the pitches bigger. We can make the teams smaller. Hopefully the GAA Football Review Committee will remove some of the unnecessary rule changes that have been employed in the last number of years. Maybe they will look at 13 a side.
On a positive note, look at how many youngsters now want to play in goals. It’s incredible the change that has happened in the last 3 years where kids are looking up to the keepers in our game.
A healthy game evolves and we are doing that.
Deep defensive strategies are more of a symptom of the championship when there are clear underdogs seeking an upset. Match ups are key and the use of technology adds to that process. That said, I love the way these systems are deployed and whether teams have the ability and resilience to stick to the process as well as then being able to move and evolve into a different system when needed.
I think it’s unfair to somehow brand the idea of playing in sophisticated systems as unworthy or beneath players. The game has changed immensely in 20 years. But 20 years ago the game changed immensely from the 20 years before. This is a healthy sign. I remember a Dublin journalist attacking Armagh’s set up and commenting that no child in the country would want to grow up to be a Francie Bellew or Enda McNulty or a Paul McGrane. The narrative was that this “modern” football needs to be eradicated. The year before they’d jumped on Spillane’s “puke football” and we’re whining about the death of the quality player.
Imagine a League 1 team in soccer, say in an FA Cup match, being told that they cannot play a certain way against a Premiership team? It’s more entertaining to see goals so to let’s change the rules, teams are now are not allowed to park the bus…… Arsenal left Man City with a 0-0 draw a number of weeks back - they narrowed the pitch and looked to counter. They weren’t castigated for it.
At the top levels our players have become elite athletes. If we want more room on the pitch, we can’t make the pitches bigger. We can make the teams smaller. Hopefully the GAA Football Review Committee will remove some of the unnecessary rule changes that have been employed in the last number of years. Maybe they will look at 13 a side.
On a positive note, look at how many youngsters now want to play in goals. It’s incredible the change that has happened in the last 3 years where kids are looking up to the keepers in our game.
A healthy game evolves and we are doing that.
Armaghball
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Depends whether theres any left after orders through clubs are fulfilled. Was there a few online last year nearer the final?
Armaghball
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I’ve no issues with Down setting up the way they did- I’d want us to do the same if we were absolutely shite and playing a team with far better players as well. I’d criticise us for allowing ourselves to be lowered to that level but I was absolutely delighted for these lads and management to get through a tight game and back to a well deserved final.
Fair play to anyone who is intrigued by that shite on Saturday but I wouldn’t blame anyone who’d rather keep their money in their pocket rather than go to watch that.
Fair play to anyone who is intrigued by that shite on Saturday but I wouldn’t blame anyone who’d rather keep their money in their pocket rather than go to watch that.
Very interesting take on it and I think its great that such a tactical grinding game excites you - each to their own i guess.
I can see where you are coming from (a little), but for me its the wasted potential which really annoys me.
I don't think we needed to match Down and Monaghan last year - if we push out and go at them we cause them alot more problems that this cautious approach.
I just feel we are leaving a lot to chance