PatMustard
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Who won it in 09? In between Cross's two trebles?
Also - Kilcoo are good, but not near the level or achievements of Cross in their heyday
St Galls won Ulster in 09 thoughPearse Ogs
Who won it in 09? In between Cross's two trebles?
Also - Kilcoo are good, but not near the level or achievements of Cross in their heyday
St Galls won Ulster in 09 thoughPearse Ogs
Did Ogs win Ulster????Pearse Ogs
No lolDid Ogs win Ulster????
Kilcoo have the most down titles now, i fully think they would beat yous or it would be tight atleast but yous would 100% not have a bit to spare and that is being very harsh on them. Dont think your all ireland teams would have been able to cope with todays football, fitness and skill levels are through the roof.Kilcoo aren’t even the best Down team to have won an Ulster! They are good and all but the Burren team of the later 80’s would have beaten them. I would be confident that any of our AI teams would have beaten them with a bit to spare. I’m not saying they are not a good team but they’re just about getting into the conversation.
If our All Ireland winning teams, particularly the 1997-2000 teams, had the training of current teams I am confident that the skill levels of Oisin, Jim Mc, the McEntees, Francie, Donal Murtagh and Cathal Short to name but a few would more than cope. If we had the conditioning training that current players have there would be no contest. We were probably the most physically dominant club team around without conditioning. We had 11-12 players 6 ft plus and were all pretty mobile(excluding myself!). If we had a S&C coaching like there is now we would have been on another level.Kilcoo have the most down titles now, i fully think they would beat yous or it would be tight atleast but yous would 100% not have a bit to spare and that is being very harsh on them. Dont think your all ireland teams would have been able to cope with todays football, fitness and skill levels are through the roof.
Just my opinion though
There are 3 other challengers in Down: Burren are one of the best clubs in Ulster yet for all their talent more often than not dump the trunks when they see the black and white. Likewise Carryduff who have yet to make that breakthrough (although watch this space) seem to lack the backbone to finish them off when they have an absolute embarrassment of talent to pick from. Then there’s Clonduff - again consistently one of the best clubs in Down for 20+ years but never able to build on their talent. Not saying the Down championship is a walk in the park but it’s no different to what Crossmaglen have had to face in Armagh since 96 and again since 2004, the difference of course being those teams immediately made hay in both Ulster & AI competitionsThe toughest battles kilcoo had over the years have been in the down championship. Carryduff took them to extra time this year. A last minute goal won them a semi final vs burren in 2019. Where as cross never really had any one coming close to them, a few average dromintees and cullyhanna sides easily beaten through the years. Kilcoos backs can play a lot better football than cross could and are equally as tough and menacing. And forwards from both sides where handy but when the Johnson’s get the ball they are unstoppable. Clarke cumiskeys kernans could drop in and out of games. I believed cross was the best club team I ever watched. Then came corofin and now we have kilcoo - not quite corofin level yet but well on their way.
Warrenpoint again a good side won an Ulster intermediate a few years ago and pushed Kilcoo very close in Down within the last few years as far as I remember. Mayobridge another club with massive numbers and always a good side.There are 3 other challengers in Down: Burren are one of the best clubs in Ulster yet for all their talent more often than not dump the trunks when they see the black and white. Likewise Carryduff who have yet to make that breakthrough (although watch this space) seem to lack the backbone to finish them off when they have an absolute embarrassment of talent to pick from. Then there’s Clonduff - again consistently one of the best clubs in Down for 20+ years but never able to build on their talent. Not saying the Down championship is a walk in the park but it’s no different to what Crossmaglen have had to face in Armagh since 96 and again since 2004, the difference of course being those teams immediately made hay in both Ulster & AI competitions
Hard to argue with that- 2 different era’s but that Cross team would have had 3 times the footballing ability of Kilcoo and I’m sure all those lads would have been even better if they did the training Kilcoo do.If our All Ireland winning teams, particularly the 1997-2000 teams, had the training of current teams I am confident that the skill levels of Oisin, Jim Mc, the McEntees, Francie, Donal Murtagh and Cathal Short to name but a few would more than cope. If we had the conditioning training that current players have there would be no contest. We were probably the most physically dominant club team around without conditioning. We had 11-12 players 6 ft plus and were all pretty mobile(excluding myself!). If we had a S&C coaching like there is now we would have been on another level.
I’ll tell you when Kilcoo can be compared to the likes of ourselves or Burren or any club In Ulster, when Andy Merrigan is on its way to the wilds up there. I will support them to win it but they are not in the conversation yet, no more than Slaughtniel were. Without the big one you can’t be considered.
Neither of them two are serious contenders in Down. I think Kilcoo are brilliant - they’ve strength all over the pitch and on the bench as well. Even if they win the AI they’ll need to back that up in the following year or two to be spoken in the same breath as CrossWarrenpoint again a good side won an Ulster intermediate a few years ago and pushed Kilcoo very close in Down within the last few years as far as I remember. Mayobridge another club with massive numbers and always a good side.
This Kilcoo side are a superb team but obviously are yet to win the big one before they can be compare to the likes of Cross. They’ll probably never get a better chance than this though.
I don't think the referee should be from either province of clubs. He is not worst thoughHurson from themuns should not being referring the All Ireland Club Final on Saturday
To be fair and I've said this before, Sean is a really decent referee. Any time he has been in the middle with us, he hasn't done us any harm. Some strange decisions?? Yes of course, but we don't always see what they see in real time and on reflection it's not far away. Does he do us any favours? No, but then that's not what we want. We want the guy in the middle to apply the rules evenly and let the game go. He does - in my opinion. I'll add to that that before the game on Sunday I'd also said many times that David Gough is not a bad referee. I stand by that even though he did seem to be inconsistent. He's human and will make mistakes. Stick yer hand up and join the ranks if you are that much better (no not you personally bull, just to readers in general who constantly moan about refs). Of course anyone can have an opinion. Of course it's right that you can say what you like without getting personal, but as @Bro alluded to, it gets tiresome when every appointment is met with negativity.Hurson from themuns should not being referring the All Ireland Club Final on Saturday
I taken many a break from the old forum,I would have said the same thing if he was from any other Ulster county themuns have F all do with itAltho i agree with @Throwball that an ulster ref shouldnt be doing the final, will u ever take a break bull, the way u and some other people on this go on, complaining about everyone and everything to do with tyrone is frankly childish and cringey beyond belief. hurson is a decent ref the fact hes from tyrone shouldnt effect that
and i dislike the tyrone when it comes to football as much as the rest
There in the conversation now!!If our All Ireland winning teams, particularly the 1997-2000 teams, had the training of current teams I am confident that the skill levels of Oisin, Jim Mc, the McEntees, Francie, Donal Murtagh and Cathal Short to name but a few would more than cope. If we had the conditioning training that current players have there would be no contest. We were probably the most physically dominant club team around without conditioning. We had 11-12 players 6 ft plus and were all pretty mobile(excluding myself!). If we had a S&C coaching like there is now we would have been on another level.
I’ll tell you when Kilcoo can be compared to the likes of ourselves or Burren or any club In Ulster, when Andy Merrigan is on its way to the wilds up there. I will support them to win it but they are not in the conversation yet, no more than Slaughtniel were. Without the big one you can’t be considered.
They’ll need to win another few before they can be compared to those Cross teams!There in the conversation now!!
Yes they are, by the skin of their teeth! Over the game Kilmacud ‘deserved’ to win but Kilcoo had the game intelligence and winning mentality that Crokes didn’t and were ruthless when the opportunity came.There in the conversation now!!