All Ireland Qualifiers

[stevie_06]

Brolly is far from TV gold. He’s a narcissist and an attention seeker. His articles are evidence of that. The last few years of TSG became unbearable with him there. Whatever you think of the other pundits on there, they aren’t talking over people, acting like a bunch of ignoramuses (or ignorami?).

Having said that, when he talks politics, the troubles, etc, he can be very listenable.

Rightly or wrong he has provided a number of moments which still live long in the memory.

I agree that he is up himself and can talk a load of crop 99% of the time.

But still found him entertaining tbh. Similar to how Eamon Dunphy was entertaining.

Also many a time he stood up for ulster football when the likes of Spillane and O'Rourke brought their Southern arrogance

 

[Diarmi]

 

[bcb1]

It’s hard to know where to start with all of this. The game, the atmosphere, the experience has been talked to death. The better team won and that’s without doubt but we could have won also. Penalties an absolute lottery but until there is anything else they are what we have.

The melee and gouging….the parties involved in how the melee started should be punished. I believe CP will have to make a point and punish both sides here but will they? I suspect given the narrative being driven that Armagh will get heavier punishment, rightly or wrongly. Tiarnán Kelly will get a heavy ban though anything beyond 6 months is excessive in my opinion. Look at what happened in previous gouging cases and then add some on as an aggravating factor given that he was not part of the match day squad. He should have been in the stands and that’s something that the GAA as a whole need to look at. The issue of the teams going into the same tunnel is a red herring. Responsibility for actions needs to be driven. Players, managers, officials all have a responsibility to act accordingly. Respect is not there and that’s probably increased by the tribal nature of the sport. This isn’t Armagh alone and is not recent either but something needs to change.

Where to now for Armagh? People will point to the wins against Donegal and Tyrone and say it was a good year. If you look though at the year it’s played 11 between league and championship won 5, drew 1, lost 5. Beat Dublin who were on their holidays, Tyrone twice who were very poor, Kildare in the league who were relegated and are pretty poor and Donegal in a very good performance (albeit they looked like they were out on their feet). For all the seeming improvements we are as far away from a trophy as we have ever been in my opinion. People will point to injuries etc and they did play a factor but I genuinely don’t see a team that has an identity, a structured plan. It’s very much off the hoof and hope for the best. Maybe that’s all that we can do but I suspect it’s not. I think the best players more or less from the county are on the squad but I don’t believe that the best is being brought out of them for a variety of reasons. Geezer will get another year and probably deserves it but that doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do. I personally feel he has brought this team as far as he is capable of doing, kinda like the 2 Brian’s in 2001, but now is time for change before the opportunity you a lost. There are too many good players there to miss another year.

 

[Geezersleftfoot]

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what is the point of this?

 

[William Of Orange]

It’s hard to know where to start with all of this. The game, the atmosphere, the experience has been talked to death. The better team won and that’s without doubt but we could have won also. Penalties an absolute lottery but until there is anything else they are what we have.

The melee and gouging….the parties involved in how the melee started should be punished. I believe CP will have to make a point and punish both sides here but will they? I suspect given the narrative being driven that Armagh will get heavier punishment, rightly or wrongly. Tiarnán Kelly will get a heavy ban though anything beyond 6 months is excessive in my opinion. Look at what happened in previous gouging cases and then add some on as an aggravating factor given that he was not part of the match day squad. He should have been in the stands and that’s something that the GAA as a whole need to look at. The issue of the teams going into the same tunnel is a red herring. Responsibility for actions needs to be driven. Players, managers, officials all have a responsibility to act accordingly. Respect is not there and that’s probably increased by the tribal nature of the sport. This isn’t Armagh alone and is not recent either but something needs to change.

Where to now for Armagh? People will point to the wins against Donegal and Tyrone and say it was a good year. If you look though at the year it’s played 11 between league and championship won 5, drew 1, lost 5. Beat Dublin who were on their holidays, Tyrone twice who were very poor, Kildare in the league who were relegated and are pretty poor and Donegal in a very good performance (albeit they looked like they were out on their feet). For all the seeming improvements we are as far away from a trophy as we have ever been in my opinion. People will point to injuries etc and they did play a factor but I genuinely don’t see a team that has an identity, a structured plan. It’s very much off the hoof and hope for the best. Maybe that’s all that we can do but I suspect it’s not. I think the best players more or less from the county are on the squad but I don’t believe that the best is being brought out of them for a variety of reasons. Geezer will get another year and probably deserves it but that doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do. I personally feel he has brought this team as far as he is capable of doing, kinda like the 2 Brian’s in 2001, but now is time for change before the opportunity you a lost. There are too many good players there to miss another year.

I doubt there will be change but if there was who do we bring in then that's a realistic prospect ?.

 

[William Of Orange]

I got what I wished for. Some of his points are valid enough.

But the statement about Armagh players deliberately trying in injure Galway players through the match is ridiculous. Yes a few hard hits but nothing malicious

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news...action-on-out-of-control-armagh-41796535.html

Lets just look at one part of this statement and trying and analyze it without bias or formed opinions 'two or three Armagh Players should not have been on the pitch '

Is he talking about the Melee here because i thought it was tame until the Kelly incident and most involved were Armagh subs and non playing staff most lads on the team were holding people back .

Apart from the mis judged shoulder and lets not debate the rights and wrongs on it was there any other dangerous play during the game ?

Someone educate me here

 

[PatMustard]

Rightly or wrong he has provided a number of moments which still live long in the memory.

I agree that he is up himself and can talk a load of crop 99% of the time.

But still found him entertaining tbh. Similar to how Eamon Dunphy was entertaining.

Also many a time he stood up for ulster football when the likes of Spillane and O'Rourke brought their Southern arrogance

Yes, but for the wrong reasons.

He didn’t want to analyse games. He constantly interrupted the others, talking over them. If your own child did it, you’d tell them to shut up and behave yourself. He wanted to constantly talk of his ideas for the championship, “Jim Gavin/Maurice Fitz texted me the other day...”, and tales like... “I went into a pub up a mountain in Papua New Guinea and everyone stood up and applauded.

 

[PatMustard]

what is the point of this?

I think @Diarmi has seen himself in the crowd

 

[bcb1]

I think @Diarmi has seen himself in the crowd

The big Cullyhanna head on him!!!

But I presume it’s a suggestion of another eye gouge that has gone unmentioned. It’s not clear from the photo if it is a gouge. A hand in the face is not always a gouge….

 

[DooReg]

Firstly welcome back, I remember you from the old site. I agree with you on Gallagher and his style of play. I have no gripe with Derry but I would hate to see them win with his style of football. Just when things were opening up again this dinosaur brings us back to the bad old days. Likewise with McGuinness, anyone wanting him anywhere near Armagh football need their heads examined. Armagh have played open attractive football (for the most part) all year and it is a joy to watch not like that other turgid shite.

Please explain to me what was different to Galway’s style of football. They got everyone behind the ball if they lost the kickout. We are the only team that I see that plays 3 men up most of the time. Galway & Derry will be a bore fest - Derry are just more suffocating and expect them to win in a dour encounter. No mention of puke football when Galway or the Dubs play but it’s still puke all the same

 

[William Of Orange]

Brolly is far from TV gold. He’s a narcissist and an attention seeker. His articles are evidence of that. The last few years of TSG became unbearable with him there. Whatever you think of the other pundits on there, they aren’t talking over people, acting like a bunch of ignoramuses (or ignorami?).

Having said that, when he talks politics, the troubles, etc, he can be very listenable.

Just to point out here this man in my opinion is a total charlatan , the newspaper that he has done this article for is anti Sinn Fein and is well known for its views on the peace process years ago and has never been a friend to Northern Ireland Nationalism . Joe himself will tell you that he is very well educated , he is also politically and socially aware of this papers stance on these matters , Joes Family would be Irish republicans , does Joe give two fucks about this , not one bit . Its probably not even a money thing, he just wants to be noticed . His twitter where he has an opinion on everything never mentioned the Fight or the game what i seen , but Joe has seen which way the wind has blown and got involved.

Anyway I'm playing into his hands speaking here about it so I'm probably the bigger idiot .

 

[Armaghball]

The big Cullyhanna head on him!!!

But I presume it’s a suggestion of another eye gouge that has gone unmentioned. It’s not clear from the photo if it is a gouge. A hand in the face is not always a gouge….

I remember one of our players earlier in the year got a pile of abuse- think it was from clueless dubs after there was a still image of a hand in the face, the image did look bad but watching it in video it was nothing .

 

[ShiftYa]

Is he talking about the Melee here because i thought it was tame until the Kelly incident and most involved were Armagh subs and non playing staff most lads on the team were holding people back .

Apart from the mis judged shoulder and lets not debate the rights and wrongs on it was there any other dangerous play during the game ?

Someone educate me here

Colm Orouke mentioned Morgan wrestling Walsh to the ground off the ball and watching the replay Morgan did blindside shoulder someone in the back off the ball as well.

 

[Armaghball]

Colm Orouke mentioned Morgan wrestling Walsh to the ground off the ball and watching the replay Morgan did blindside shoulder someone in the back off the ball as well.

It was Walsh wrestling Morgan I thought. It was after Morgan got booked in an attempt to get him sent off.

Have you a link to a clip of the shoulder by Morgan? Seen it mentioned a few times but don’t remember it at the time.

 

[ShiftYa]

It was Walsh wrestling Morgan I thought. It was after Morgan got booked in an attempt to get him sent off.

Have you a link to a clip of the shoulder by Morgan? Seen it mentioned a few times but don’t remember it at the time.

Link to the full game
Round 52nd minute

 

[stevie_06]

It’s hard to know where to start with all of this. The game, the atmosphere, the experience has been talked to death. The better team won and that’s without doubt but we could have won also. Penalties an absolute lottery but until there is anything else they are what we have.

The melee and gouging….the parties involved in how the melee started should be punished. I believe CP will have to make a point and punish both sides here but will they? I suspect given the narrative being driven that Armagh will get heavier punishment, rightly or wrongly. Tiarnán Kelly will get a heavy ban though anything beyond 6 months is excessive in my opinion. Look at what happened in previous gouging cases and then add some on as an aggravating factor given that he was not part of the match day squad. He should have been in the stands and that’s something that the GAA as a whole need to look at. The issue of the teams going into the same tunnel is a red herring. Responsibility for actions needs to be driven. Players, managers, officials all have a responsibility to act accordingly. Respect is not there and that’s probably increased by the tribal nature of the sport. This isn’t Armagh alone and is not recent either but something needs to change.

Where to now for Armagh? People will point to the wins against Donegal and Tyrone and say it was a good year. If you look though at the year it’s played 11 between league and championship won 5, drew 1, lost 5. Beat Dublin who were on their holidays, Tyrone twice who were very poor, Kildare in the league who were relegated and are pretty poor and Donegal in a very good performance (albeit they looked like they were out on their feet). For all the seeming improvements we are as far away from a trophy as we have ever been in my opinion. People will point to injuries etc and they did play a factor but I genuinely don’t see a team that has an identity, a structured plan. It’s very much off the hoof and hope for the best. Maybe that’s all that we can do but I suspect it’s not. I think the best players more or less from the county are on the squad but I don’t believe that the best is being brought out of them for a variety of reasons. Geezer will get another year and probably deserves it but that doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do. I personally feel he has brought this team as far as he is capable of doing, kinda like the 2 Brian’s in 2001, but now is time for change before the opportunity you a lost. There are too many good players there to miss another year.

The point about victories can be said about any team

Sure Kerry have beat a poor Limerick team a very poor Cork team and a Mayo team on their way out.

Dublin have beat a poor Kildare team and a terrible Cork team.

Same sentiments about Galway.

Even Derry who people are hyping up and the progress they have made. But who have they played. Beat Donegal and Tyrone, two teams Armagh have beat and destroyed a very very average Clare team.

So have any of the four teams left performed any better than us this year. There is an argument to be made that probably not.

Think as Armagh fans at times it's always sure we are useless and we were lucky or the other team was crap.

 

[stevie_06]

Yes, but for the wrong reasons.

He didn’t want to analyse games. He constantly interrupted the others, talking over them. If your own child did it, you’d tell them to shut up and behave yourself. He wanted to constantly talk of his ideas for the championship, “Jim Gavin/Maurice Fitz texted me the other day...”, and tales like... “I went into a pub up a mountain in Papua New Guinea and everyone stood up and applauded.

Funny you mention it, I was in Papua New Guinea that day

 

[Armagh_paul]

I still can't bring myself to comment on the game. It was an emotional 90-odd minutes of football and can't go through it all again at the moment.

For her first game, the girlfriend was enthralled by it and she was mesmerized by our support when going to take our seats in the Cusack stand and she said she could feel the tension. The first half was a bit of back and forth between the teams and nothing exciting and the second half looked like we were on our way to a beating. At the 70th minute I was saying to her, we are done, 14 men and a couple of points down and she kept telling me to have a bit of faith in them FFS. A couple of minutes later we are level and I am standing there in disbelief (she has a picture of me standing looking out onto the pitch looking shell-shocked). Anyway, there is another Armagh supporter joining the ranks!

A few people left when Armagh was losing and heading into injury time, I bet they are kicking themselves now!

Did not see the Tiernan Kelly incident, and stayed away from the media for the last few days, that loss was hard to take and what's worse the way it was decided was horrible. I have noticed a lot of people on here saying there is no defense for him to do that, his actions really haven't helped we have been involved in a number of brawls this year and some will be saying "See! It is all Armagh's fault" and the same will happen in the future. Brawls have done us no good and if management thinks this is acceptable they shouldn't be anywhere near football.

 

[Kem]

Brolly is far from TV gold. He’s a narcissist and an attention seeker. His articles are evidence of that. The last few years of TSG became unbearable with him there. Whatever you think of the other pundits on there, they aren’t talking over people, acting like a bunch of ignoramuses (or ignorami?).

Having said that, when he talks politics, the troubles, etc, he can be very listenable.

Recent interview with Tomas O Se is worth a look. Think his idea of requiring kickouts to pass the 45 line a good one. Forces a contest for possession and limits the opportunities for hand passing out of defense.

 

[bcb1]

The point about victories can be said about any team

Sure Kerry have beat a poor Limerick team a very poor Cork team and a Mayo team on their way out.

Dublin have beat a poor Kildare team and a terrible Cork team.

Same sentiments about Galway.

Even Derry who people are hyping up and the progress they have made. But who have they played. Beat Donegal and Tyrone, two teams Armagh have beat and destroyed a very very average Clare team.

So have any of the four teams left performed any better than us this year. There is an argument to be made that probably not.

Think as Armagh fans at times it's always sure we are useless and we were lucky or the other team was crap.

I would agree with you in that regard about the victories in the championship but as a season I think we have a bit of a blinkered orange view. I think we are in that group of teams below the top 2 (who I believe are Dublin and Kerry) who if they got the right bounce, right tactics, right way of playing, could win it. Derry are in that bracket, Tyrone, Galway, and to a lesser extent Mayo and the Rossies. I think Galway and Derry have got the tactics and playing style right, either will need the bounce of the ball in the final to win it but who’s to say they won’t get it.