All Ireland series
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Who mentioned high octane attacking football?
We all accept that every team now defends enmasse but the best teams also attackers. We seem to sit back far too much.
This is a supporters forum and we are all entitled to our views. I support Arnagh no matter who is involved or managing - I want the best for the team. In my view, Geezer as a manager has not got as much out of the teams over the years as he should have. I believe a top manager would have achieved more with thevplayers we have had over the last 3 or 4 years. Hence time for change. Not being vindictive- just wanting the best for my county.
Looking to next season in division 2 I want to see more players get proper runs in the league, we can rest or give weeks off to the likes of forker Grugan Campbell and the older lads, only use when needed or keep for championship, I want to see Higgins, mcgrane, rice, mcconville, Kieran, mcquillan all start and get a run of games to see what they are like, 10/20 mins here and there is no good to them, division 2 is the perfect place for that
Armaghball
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looked like cramp i think
The game was there for the taking during this period (15-14) as It was against Derry
We refused to go for it.
Let’s be honest we played a game to stifle Monaghan rather than trust our ability , Dublin will play their game and win!
As someone said our manager over analyses the opposition when he has time to prepare which isn’t a good thing
This year was a poor year football wise all year.
Really am furious about decisions made on the line on Saturday
Even I saw Corey calling Mc manus over for the last play to discuss what was going to happen so the ball was always going to him but we kept grugan on him that’s criminal at this level and the difference between winning and losing .
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Whatever your thoughts on McGeeney, you are way out of order with this comment
Man is entitled to make a living
Armagh_paul
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After a lot of time to reflect and I have had a lot of time mainly travelling to do this I think we are out of our depth when it comes to coming even close to winning an All Ireland. I believe this because we play a horrible brand of football this year. This teams main talents come from the forward line with O'Neill, Grugan, Murnin, Campbell, Turbo, Duffy, Kelly etc yet we make a 360 degree turn towards defensive football? I get that we had to shore up our defence a bit but only slight adjustment's were needed not a complete over hall of our playing philosophy from last year. Even when playing defensive football we still lose so what's the point? We cannot close out tight games. The Ulster final this year was a prime example of where we had the win and needed to play out the last few minutes with possession. Management have their limitations and after this weekend I think they will put more of a burden on the team next year. I am not going to say anymore on the matter if they go the team could go into decline like Kildare did. If management stay then we could be wasting a once in a generation talent. I don't think they should be the ones determining their own future. Not going to be overly critical of them for the loss, the players created the opportunities but this season the football from us has been poor. Some teams have got by on having 2-3 good forwards we have more than that and are not doing any better.
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As our county season comes to a close, a massive thank you to the entire squad of players, management and our loyal supporters. The commitment and effort by all is greatly appreciated.
As for the match l am left, yet again, with that gut wrenching soul destroying could have/should have won it feeling. Gutted doesn't even cover it but all Armagh fans sadly know that feeling. (Though not coming close to 2005) Trying to be positive, over the entire championship we played 8 matches: 5 Wins 2 Draws (followed by that penalty rubbish) 1 defeat. I know initial Ulster games were against lower division teams but matches still had to won. No one from our so called group of death made it to the semis and two teams from so called easier group did, not that that means anything.
I don't think penalty shoot outs have any place in Gaelic football. I think provincial finals onwards should always be a replay. Surely we can extend season by 2 weeks to facilitate this. I think a replay is the least all teams deserve.
As for time keeping I fail to understand why Croke Park at least cannot use the hooter system like LGFA. It's a win/win for all involved.
Would penalty issue + time clock have to be passed/amended at annual congress - would incoming president have any influence??
Anyways, away to wallow some more.
As for the match l am left, yet again, with that gut wrenching soul destroying could have/should have won it feeling. Gutted doesn't even cover it but all Armagh fans sadly know that feeling. (Though not coming close to 2005) Trying to be positive, over the entire championship we played 8 matches: 5 Wins 2 Draws (followed by that penalty rubbish) 1 defeat. I know initial Ulster games were against lower division teams but matches still had to won. No one from our so called group of death made it to the semis and two teams from so called easier group did, not that that means anything.
I don't think penalty shoot outs have any place in Gaelic football. I think provincial finals onwards should always be a replay. Surely we can extend season by 2 weeks to facilitate this. I think a replay is the least all teams deserve.
As for time keeping I fail to understand why Croke Park at least cannot use the hooter system like LGFA. It's a win/win for all involved.
Would penalty issue + time clock have to be passed/amended at annual congress - would incoming president have any influence??
Anyways, away to wallow some more.
Yes, it was obvious Beggan did not want to shoot and we should have forced him to. I was shouting to push up and not let him go short because I just knew they would try to work a free closer in. Again, our line seems to get caught up in the emotions of those last plays, arguably when we need them most. Corey provided a great juxtaposition on this occasion - thinking hat always on and composure at all times.
Interesting to see if Geezer stays on as I think he has another year left? If he does he needs a whole new back room team and needs to think carefully about his no.2. That's no disrespect to the current team - they have given serious commitment to the county but I think we're all clear now that we need a freshen-up and probably best if Geezer steps away.
Agree it looked like at one stage he was going to shoot but was reluctant to.
I know Geezer has said the ref said it was the last kick. But going by monaghan players at the time he appeared to indicate there was one minute left.
Suppose of Beggan had kicked it over we would be saying fair play and accept it.
Think the issue was we give him an easy sideways pass and they worked it from there.
Can't remember but I know we had a man down right before the free. But did they go off the field leaving Monaghan with an extra man.
Think somebody also mentioned. But after Rian got his point we seemed to let them out very easy. Again could we have pushed up and forced them long.
I'm a big fan of Donaghy. Would like to see him still being involved
I simply mentioned it's likely not an 'average' salary given his recent purchases. Nowhere did I mention my thoughts re: this or his entitlement to such a salary. Bite somewhere else.
I think Geezers downfall is his loyalty - very tightknit backroom team with little to no change in the 9-10 years. I would expect him to walk away quicker than change things up
I don't know where people get this information of "geezers contract". It is ratified by the club delegates once a year, usually the next county board meeting after the season is over.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, BUT if we are going to go in a new direction we have to make sure we can get the right man/people in place. Kieran has done a steller job for Armagh. He took us from division 3 where we could not get out of to division 1 (albeit back to division 2). Kieran has helped bring back the fans and great days out. I remember going to division 3 league games and the athletic grounds was half empty.
Armagh_paul
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I don't think this is entirely true. He has changed his backroom team a number of times over the years.
You could see Donaghy making an impact on the forwards but defence is the problem. Can we really say the defensive problems were fixed in comparison to last year? IMO we went out to a worse team than last year.
Patrick-Armagh
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Watched some of OTB AM this morning and they had Anthony Moyles on reviewing the weekend. I take what these talking heads say with a pinch of salt a lot of the time, because they don't see enough of teams to get a true reflection of how teams are really going. The word that kept coming up in regards to Armagh was negativity and has been for most of the season. We were far too negative and it cost us. Monaghan wanted us to slow it down and make it a slug fest. If we had actually gone for it a bit more, we would have won it by a couple of points. He referenced the Ulster Final where the same thing happened. In the two biggest games of the year, we lost it because we didn't believe in ourselves and really go for it. We set up not to lose, instead of to win. I totally agree. Sadly a lot of that comes down to the management and how we set up. The county board need to be asking serious questions about that.
Many of us have been saying that for some time now - the team is set up not to lose rather than going for a win (being conscious that you cannot simply go all out attack). But we need to be a little more adventurous, especially with the quality of forwards at our disposal.
I think we need a new man at the helm - a new philosophy and way of playing. Bring a bit more confidence on to the field.
The current overly cautious approach is not working and has cost us against Derry and Monaghan in the last few weeks.