And Tyrone force Mickey Harte out - they won the all ireland the following year. Monaghan got rid of Banty (and endless money) faced with an ageing team - favourites for relegation and Vinny kept them in div 1, beat Tyrone in Ulster and reached an all ireland SF. You can always find examples to suit your narrative. 9 years with minimal success is long enough imo.
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Cahair O'Kane: Is change the answer for Tyrone or Armagh?
AS Mattie Donnelly altered his jog off the pitch to meet his young clubmate Seanie O'Donnell replacing him, it wasn’t so much of a handshake as a greeting that said ‘it’s your team now, look after it’.
Mickey Gormley
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Did ethan not catch the ball after rian point ? An then ref give a free against them think it was a harsh free
Yes Tyrone did win an All Ireland but that was a very strange year.
Look at them now. Over the past 2 seasons have they made any progress. Probably not and last year in particular was shocking from then.
Like you said can always find examples to suit any narrative
Don't think so. They worked it short and got to the 65 then McPartland pulled player down.
I do remember the time your talking about when Rafferty punched the ball cleanly in the middle of the park and blown up for a foul. Think it was towards the end of the 70 mins.
Had actually forgot about that. It was a shocking decision from the ref. Disgraced decision actually
Still won silverware (Ulster and All Ireland), avoided relegation from Div 1. Achieved more in 3 years than Armagh have done in 9 years. Fear of demise is a weak reason to resist change. You don't get anywhere in sport being comfortable
ragingbull
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I disagree the midfield wasn't the problem on Saturday the Turbitt for Crealey sub was pathetic it should have been Turbitt for another forward
ragingbull
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The tackle from O'Neill on McManus was never a foul either
ArmaghMartin
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Don't do it!
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Oisin McConvilles thoughts from BBC Sport Podcast:
Oisin McConville says Armagh manager Kieran McGeeney is "entitled to make his own decision" as to whether he will remain in charge of the Orchard County.
Armagh lost to Monaghan in the All-Ireland quarter-final on penalties on Saturday after the Ulster sides drew 0-14 to 0-14 after extra-time.
"If he's willing to go ahead and do it, then he should go ahead and do it," said McConville of McGeeney's future.
"It should be down to 'Geezer' [McGeeney] at this stage," he added.
McGeeney, who captained Armagh to All-Ireland glory in 2002, has been at the helm for nine years and although much progress has been made, Armagh narrowly fell short again in their bid to make a first All-Ireland semi-final since 2005.
Monaghan keeper Rory Beggan twice saved from Callum Cumiskey as the Farney men won the shootout 9-8 in a nerve-shredding conclusion to the game.
Armagh also lost last year's All-Ireland quarter-final to Galway and this year's Ulster decider to Derry on penalties.
"Can you really punish a manager for getting beaten on penalties?," reflected former Armagh All-Ireland winner McConville on BBC Sport NI's GAA Social Extra podcast.
"The majority will want change but I like continuity in a world that just likes to flip from one thing to the next.
"He has lasted 10 years, that tells you he's got a lot of things right. He has done enough for Armagh that he's entitled to make his own decision.
"If the right decision for Kieran is to walk away, then that's what he should do, but he should think about where Armagh were when he came in and where they are now and I think we're in a much better place.
"You have to be careful what you wish for. The question you have to ask yourself is who is going to want that job, willing to go in there and start from scratch again."
Armagh looked to have done enough to edge a tight Ulster derby when Rian O'Neill landed a late score in extra-time but Conor McManus, who made a huge impact off the bench for Monaghan, equalised with a free in the dying seconds to force the shootout.
"I thought Armagh had so many opportunities to win the game but they just don't have that killer instinct, they don't seem to be able to finish it out," added McConville.
"I don't know any other team that when Rian kicked the ball over the bar they wouldn't see the game out. You have to be ruthless in the way you see it out.
"I'd say they are shocked that they lost the game and it will be a tough watch back. They don't seem to have the confidence they had last year.
"I look at the players we have and think, 'we should have won that game'.
"I think continuity has helped Armagh more than it has hindered them. I think there's an opportunity for Kieran to stay on there though he probably needs to freshen things up in the background."
Oisin McConville says Armagh manager Kieran McGeeney is "entitled to make his own decision" as to whether he will remain in charge of the Orchard County.
Armagh lost to Monaghan in the All-Ireland quarter-final on penalties on Saturday after the Ulster sides drew 0-14 to 0-14 after extra-time.
"If he's willing to go ahead and do it, then he should go ahead and do it," said McConville of McGeeney's future.
"It should be down to 'Geezer' [McGeeney] at this stage," he added.
McGeeney, who captained Armagh to All-Ireland glory in 2002, has been at the helm for nine years and although much progress has been made, Armagh narrowly fell short again in their bid to make a first All-Ireland semi-final since 2005.
Monaghan keeper Rory Beggan twice saved from Callum Cumiskey as the Farney men won the shootout 9-8 in a nerve-shredding conclusion to the game.
Armagh also lost last year's All-Ireland quarter-final to Galway and this year's Ulster decider to Derry on penalties.
"Can you really punish a manager for getting beaten on penalties?," reflected former Armagh All-Ireland winner McConville on BBC Sport NI's GAA Social Extra podcast.
"The majority will want change but I like continuity in a world that just likes to flip from one thing to the next.
"He has lasted 10 years, that tells you he's got a lot of things right. He has done enough for Armagh that he's entitled to make his own decision.
"If the right decision for Kieran is to walk away, then that's what he should do, but he should think about where Armagh were when he came in and where they are now and I think we're in a much better place.
"You have to be careful what you wish for. The question you have to ask yourself is who is going to want that job, willing to go in there and start from scratch again."
Armagh looked to have done enough to edge a tight Ulster derby when Rian O'Neill landed a late score in extra-time but Conor McManus, who made a huge impact off the bench for Monaghan, equalised with a free in the dying seconds to force the shootout.
"I thought Armagh had so many opportunities to win the game but they just don't have that killer instinct, they don't seem to be able to finish it out," added McConville.
"I don't know any other team that when Rian kicked the ball over the bar they wouldn't see the game out. You have to be ruthless in the way you see it out.
"I'd say they are shocked that they lost the game and it will be a tough watch back. They don't seem to have the confidence they had last year.
"I look at the players we have and think, 'we should have won that game'.
"I think continuity has helped Armagh more than it has hindered them. I think there's an opportunity for Kieran to stay on there though he probably needs to freshen things up in the background."
Patrick-Armagh
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I honestly don't think it is. I've (painfully) listened to Aaron Kernan, Anthony Moyles, Darren O'Sullivan and Colm Boyle over the last few days and they all said the same thing about us. Negative football, when there is clearly so much more in us, is what cost us in the end. If we had showed slightly more intent against Monaghan we would have beaten them by 3 or 4 points. We've seen this approach all season and ultimately it hasn't gotten us any further.
We didn't have a Brian Fenton in our team last season and we were far more attacking. I get why we wanted to add more control to our game this season, because we lacked it massively at times last season, which cost us then. There's no doubt that we've played more negatively this season, despite what McGeeney might say. And even though we tried to slow the game down, we still ended up scoring a point to go 1 up in an All Ireland quarter final in injury time, only to lose it, exactly like we did last season, because of a lack of control and clear thinking. I do agree that a powerhouse at midfield would really help us. Hopefully we can see Oisin O'Neill back in there next season as he would bring a bit of bulk and power running that would break lines. It would be great if Niall Grimley was back too. Having options at midfield like Mackin, Crealy, O'Neill, Grimley and McPartlan would give us real strength in depth.
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Genuinely thought it was criminal not starting Turbitt on Saturday
It showed we were going to be ultra defensive from the start.
With Duffy a link man rather than an out and out attacker we started with 4 scoring forwards .
16 shots in 70 minutes says it all .
Our tactics were atrocious
Still absolutely fuming ….
weeskitter
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Any chance of getting match on Youtube?
SaintSeamy
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Have you got insomnia?
Crealy was on a yellow. Probably factored int it
Crealy being taking off was a mistake imo and starting a defender in half forward line was ultra negative, this talk of midfield is wrong imo also, besides Derry Dublin and Tyrone maybe Galway are midfielders are as good as anyone else, we have plenty of options there, jarly og, crealy, grimley, mackin, oisin O'Neill, we also have Duffy murnin and Rian O'Neill as kick out options, I am going back and forth in my head regards management, they have serious buy in and with how poor we have been underage maybe we are over achieving and not as good as we think. But on the other hand underage success means nothing at senior level, I think if you look at our squad it's as strong as it has been in a decade and will not get any stronger with players getting older look at our players and we should be doing better, I think the style of play has held back out forwards this year, all you have to do is look at goals scored last years league to this years league, I don't think there is any doubt we have underperformed in an attacking sense this year and I'm sure players and management have more regrets this year than last
thehighballinlow
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What does that say about us they beat us in the all irelads series
He was a huge miss in second half and ET when losing long balls. Monaghan cleaned midfield when he came off
In what year are you referencing. This year?