ArmaghMartin
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Oisin McConvilles thoughts from BBC Sport Podcast:
Oisin McConville says Armagh manager Kieran McGeeney is "entitled to make his own decision" as to whether he will remain in charge of the Orchard County.
Armagh lost to Monaghan in the All-Ireland quarter-final on penalties on Saturday after the Ulster sides drew 0-14 to 0-14 after extra-time.
"If he's willing to go ahead and do it, then he should go ahead and do it," said McConville of McGeeney's future.
"It should be down to 'Geezer' [McGeeney] at this stage," he added.
McGeeney, who captained Armagh to All-Ireland glory in 2002, has been at the helm for nine years and although much progress has been made, Armagh narrowly fell short again in their bid to make a first All-Ireland semi-final since 2005.
Monaghan keeper Rory Beggan twice saved from Callum Cumiskey as the Farney men won the shootout 9-8 in a nerve-shredding conclusion to the game.
Armagh also lost last year's All-Ireland quarter-final to Galway and this year's Ulster decider to Derry on penalties.
"Can you really punish a manager for getting beaten on penalties?," reflected former Armagh All-Ireland winner McConville on BBC Sport NI's GAA Social Extra podcast.
"The majority will want change but I like continuity in a world that just likes to flip from one thing to the next.
"He has lasted 10 years, that tells you he's got a lot of things right. He has done enough for Armagh that he's entitled to make his own decision.
"If the right decision for Kieran is to walk away, then that's what he should do, but he should think about where Armagh were when he came in and where they are now and I think we're in a much better place.
"You have to be careful what you wish for. The question you have to ask yourself is who is going to want that job, willing to go in there and start from scratch again."
Armagh looked to have done enough to edge a tight Ulster derby when Rian O'Neill landed a late score in extra-time but Conor McManus, who made a huge impact off the bench for Monaghan, equalised with a free in the dying seconds to force the shootout.
"I thought Armagh had so many opportunities to win the game but they just don't have that killer instinct, they don't seem to be able to finish it out," added McConville.
"I don't know any other team that when Rian kicked the ball over the bar they wouldn't see the game out. You have to be ruthless in the way you see it out.
"I'd say they are shocked that they lost the game and it will be a tough watch back. They don't seem to have the confidence they had last year.
"I look at the players we have and think, 'we should have won that game'.
"I think continuity has helped Armagh more than it has hindered them. I think there's an opportunity for Kieran to stay on there though he probably needs to freshen things up in the background."
Oisin McConville says Armagh manager Kieran McGeeney is "entitled to make his own decision" as to whether he will remain in charge of the Orchard County.
Armagh lost to Monaghan in the All-Ireland quarter-final on penalties on Saturday after the Ulster sides drew 0-14 to 0-14 after extra-time.
"If he's willing to go ahead and do it, then he should go ahead and do it," said McConville of McGeeney's future.
"It should be down to 'Geezer' [McGeeney] at this stage," he added.
McGeeney, who captained Armagh to All-Ireland glory in 2002, has been at the helm for nine years and although much progress has been made, Armagh narrowly fell short again in their bid to make a first All-Ireland semi-final since 2005.
Monaghan keeper Rory Beggan twice saved from Callum Cumiskey as the Farney men won the shootout 9-8 in a nerve-shredding conclusion to the game.
Armagh also lost last year's All-Ireland quarter-final to Galway and this year's Ulster decider to Derry on penalties.
"Can you really punish a manager for getting beaten on penalties?," reflected former Armagh All-Ireland winner McConville on BBC Sport NI's GAA Social Extra podcast.
"The majority will want change but I like continuity in a world that just likes to flip from one thing to the next.
"He has lasted 10 years, that tells you he's got a lot of things right. He has done enough for Armagh that he's entitled to make his own decision.
"If the right decision for Kieran is to walk away, then that's what he should do, but he should think about where Armagh were when he came in and where they are now and I think we're in a much better place.
"You have to be careful what you wish for. The question you have to ask yourself is who is going to want that job, willing to go in there and start from scratch again."
Armagh looked to have done enough to edge a tight Ulster derby when Rian O'Neill landed a late score in extra-time but Conor McManus, who made a huge impact off the bench for Monaghan, equalised with a free in the dying seconds to force the shootout.
"I thought Armagh had so many opportunities to win the game but they just don't have that killer instinct, they don't seem to be able to finish it out," added McConville.
"I don't know any other team that when Rian kicked the ball over the bar they wouldn't see the game out. You have to be ruthless in the way you see it out.
"I'd say they are shocked that they lost the game and it will be a tough watch back. They don't seem to have the confidence they had last year.
"I look at the players we have and think, 'we should have won that game'.
"I think continuity has helped Armagh more than it has hindered them. I think there's an opportunity for Kieran to stay on there though he probably needs to freshen things up in the background."
Patrick-Armagh
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I honestly don't think it is. I've (painfully) listened to Aaron Kernan, Anthony Moyles, Darren O'Sullivan and Colm Boyle over the last few days and they all said the same thing about us. Negative football, when there is clearly so much more in us, is what cost us in the end. If we had showed slightly more intent against Monaghan we would have beaten them by 3 or 4 points. We've seen this approach all season and ultimately it hasn't gotten us any further.
We didn't have a Brian Fenton in our team last season and we were far more attacking. I get why we wanted to add more control to our game this season, because we lacked it massively at times last season, which cost us then. There's no doubt that we've played more negatively this season, despite what McGeeney might say. And even though we tried to slow the game down, we still ended up scoring a point to go 1 up in an All Ireland quarter final in injury time, only to lose it, exactly like we did last season, because of a lack of control and clear thinking. I do agree that a powerhouse at midfield would really help us. Hopefully we can see Oisin O'Neill back in there next season as he would bring a bit of bulk and power running that would break lines. It would be great if Niall Grimley was back too. Having options at midfield like Mackin, Crealy, O'Neill, Grimley and McPartlan would give us real strength in depth.
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Genuinely thought it was criminal not starting Turbitt on Saturday
It showed we were going to be ultra defensive from the start.
With Duffy a link man rather than an out and out attacker we started with 4 scoring forwards .
16 shots in 70 minutes says it all .
Our tactics were atrocious
Still absolutely fuming ….
weeskitter
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Any chance of getting match on Youtube?
SaintSeamy
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Have you got insomnia?
Crealy was on a yellow. Probably factored int it
Crealy being taking off was a mistake imo and starting a defender in half forward line was ultra negative, this talk of midfield is wrong imo also, besides Derry Dublin and Tyrone maybe Galway are midfielders are as good as anyone else, we have plenty of options there, jarly og, crealy, grimley, mackin, oisin O'Neill, we also have Duffy murnin and Rian O'Neill as kick out options, I am going back and forth in my head regards management, they have serious buy in and with how poor we have been underage maybe we are over achieving and not as good as we think. But on the other hand underage success means nothing at senior level, I think if you look at our squad it's as strong as it has been in a decade and will not get any stronger with players getting older look at our players and we should be doing better, I think the style of play has held back out forwards this year, all you have to do is look at goals scored last years league to this years league, I don't think there is any doubt we have underperformed in an attacking sense this year and I'm sure players and management have more regrets this year than last
thehighballinlow
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What does that say about us they beat us in the all irelads series
He was a huge miss in second half and ET when losing long balls. Monaghan cleaned midfield when he came off
In what year are you referencing. This year?
FearArdMhacha
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I thought Crealy was contributing plenty up until he came off. Didn’t think his race was run. If he’d come back on for ET would he still have been on a yellow? By that point we were a man up. Don’t remember when Mackin came off but Duffy was gone also at that stage. Not sure it matters all that much because Monaghan easily got short kick outs away every time even with a press So Crealy being back on wouldn’t have fixed that. I couldn’t believe Rafferty got blown up for contesting that kick out. We were raining down on them and it was a big moment. It’s just an awful way to go out yet again pipped at the post.
On Oisin’s comments I’m not sure that it should be Geezer’s own call. He’s neither saying one thing or another. He’s entitled to make his own decision but he needs to freshen up. For me that‘s a both sides of the argument commentary but what else would he say. If we have him again next season then we need to be prepared to remain in division 2 and possibly make it as far as last 12 or QF again. I don‘t see what were doing and how we’ve regressed bringing us any farther forward.
On Oisin’s comments I’m not sure that it should be Geezer’s own call. He’s neither saying one thing or another. He’s entitled to make his own decision but he needs to freshen up. For me that‘s a both sides of the argument commentary but what else would he say. If we have him again next season then we need to be prepared to remain in division 2 and possibly make it as far as last 12 or QF again. I don‘t see what were doing and how we’ve regressed bringing us any farther forward.
Have to agree, I thought he was having a fairly decent game up to half time and thought the only explanation was he was injured. Even if he was on a yellow I would have left him on. He is not the type of player to normally pick up silly bookings. Greg McCabe on a yellow is a different story.
As for midfield, Crealy and Mackin are a good pairing if we could keep both fit, add in Oisin and we are not that short.
watched it again last night for my sins and I hurt worse than ever now3 days on, still hurts
how did we not win that game !!
even the smallest of margins would have swung it for us
e.g the ref judging turbitt not to have been fouled but then giving the softest of frees to mcmanus at the other end
When Geezer joined the Armagh set up in 2014 as head coach under Grimley we where in division 2. That year we got relegated to division 3. We also lost by 1 point to Donegal in an AI quarter final. I can't understand how people can argue that Geezer has brought us on when we are now back in division 2 were we where when he came in and have still not got beyond an AI quarter final. Ok you might say he got us to division 1 but he also got us up to division 2 and then relegated back to division 3 before getting back to division 2.
The difference in these 2 calls is that one would have won the game, the other was to level it. I'm convinced a lot of referees by their nature in big matches tend to play safe and level up, whether deliberately or unconsciously. So unless there is a nailed on foul, they'll not give it if it means the winning of the game. By same token, they'll give a soft one to level the game. Just my opinion but that's how I see it.watched it again last night for my sins and I hurt worse than ever now
how did we not win that game !!
even the smallest of margins would have swung it for us
e.g the ref judging turbitt not to have been fouled but then giving the softest of frees to mcmanus at the other end
Westisbest
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Taken me a few days to comment but still reeling from our 1 point defeat to the noisy neighbour last Sunday week in Salthill. Tbh with our two spiritual leaders injured (one not returning for the 2nd half) and our best forward off form all year we were up against it. Ye did the damage to us in CoS where we were too casual and should have been home and dry by half time with the missed goal opps and the penalty miss. One thing is while we would not have beaten the Dubs there is no way we would have capitulated like the other crew if Comer and Kelly were fully fit.
On ye serious opportunity missed. Have said it all season Armagh's strength is front foot football. Last season ye did far more of it. Only in fits this season. I know it is a balance to ensure defence is well organised/structured but like us ye have struggled getting the best out yourselves offensively. Sin e unfortunately.
On ye serious opportunity missed. Have said it all season Armagh's strength is front foot football. Last season ye did far more of it. Only in fits this season. I know it is a balance to ensure defence is well organised/structured but like us ye have struggled getting the best out yourselves offensively. Sin e unfortunately.
Armagh_paul
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Theoretically who would be viable options to replace McGeeney? When you look at his managerial record there are no notable successes. If he were to be replaced ideally we would need someone with a track record of success?