Big Jim
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Told ye before about running down the spiral staircase ya buck eejit!!!I feel dizzy
All Ireland series
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I'm referencing this on this thread as it's still the most active:
Second time in a week we've had to take action on a thread. Some obviously don't care about the forum and that's fine. We've noted the originator and also those that took glee in replying. Last time we will say this. If the stupidity doesn't stop right now and you get back to enjoying robust debate, I'm closing the forum. No notifications! It just will no longer be online and someone else can have the hassles of running it. They seem to think it's easy.
PutTheHighBallInLow
Active Member
A complete overhaul of our development squads and personnel running them, for a start, it's been the same old now for 20+ years, and if we get a new manager, for them to oversee all levels
JoeH
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So any potential new manager has to look after 5-6 teams
That's progression.....
ragingbull
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No one can give a good enough reason why McGeeney should be given more time
PutTheHighBallInLow
Active Member
Oversee, install a new system, and check monthly on progress.
Anything would be better than at the moment
JoeH
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Seen thatAaron Cunningham doesn't think so
He has no suggestions either
Likes to hear himself like quite a few others on social media who change their minds as much as the wind changes direction.
Personally I think he should get another year, change his backroom a bit ensuring that the successor is part of that backroom.
Managing a club team is one thing
Managing a county team has to be quite something else.
Use division 2 to blood a few more players ensuring top two finish and then gear up for the group stages of the AI
The provincials are finished and it's only a matter of time before they go.
I think the style of football will evolve next season - teams will start leaving 2-3 players up, breakdown the attack and go for it.
For sure we are not going back to 1970s style of players staying in their positions
They can't see fouls off the ball - how are they going to count the numbers of players behind a line. Who is going to do it?
And the one thing is the same rules, bar Hawkeye (when it works) apply to every adult game in the country
To change things requires different rules for club and county games. Once that happens the shouts of "elitism" will start.
There are no points for giving an exciting performance.
Here's what next year's team could look like for early league:
Ethan
Barry McCambridge
Aaron McKay
Peter McGrane
Conor ONeill
Greg McCabe
Jarly og Burns
Oisin oneill
Ciaran Mackin
Jason Duffy
Rian ONeill
Tiernan Kelly
Turbo
Shane mcPartlan
Cian McConville
Ben Crealey
Justin Kieran
Ross McQuillan
Aidan Nugent
Shea Magill
Jemar Hall
Niall Grimley
Lee Rice
Oisin Conaty
Ciaran Higgins
Resting and ready for latter end of league
Rory Grugan
Paddy Burns
Soupy
Andy Murnin
Aidan Forker
Callum Cumiskey
James Morgan
Probably missing a few but things aren't that bad. Not sure of any U20 players that could come in
I would like to see a team like this but we won't, mcgeeney has his favourites and will play the experience players,
What's a big thing for me is the top 4 players or so from last year you could name easily, Rian, jarly og, Grugan, Rafferty all outstanding all year but thi year try and pick 4 players... It is hard because nobody stood out, I'd guess a few defenders would be there but we played defensively I'd say Duffy, Rian, McKay and forker maybe in my 4 but not nearly as easy to pick as last year
Got us to an Ulster final and two all ireland quarter finals in a row.
Really stupid post with very little logic behind it. If you feel time is right for new management then present an argument instead of just an off the cuff the comment.
Jeepers, Jim. Don’t be using that bad language again!
That's actually a good argument for getting new blood in. No improvement since he took over 9 years ago when we were in division 2 and also reached a quarter final. Would have been shocked if we couldn't have got to the Ulster final this year, no real achievement there with the teams we played.
It has been 9 years of very poor performances. How many times did we let teams back into games when we should have killed games off. First few years it appeared their was an obsession with defending. Remember playing 1st round championship against Donegal who were well ahead by 7 or 8 points and all wee could do was pass the ball sideways in our own half afraid to even take a chance of going forward. It was shameful from a side who had the previous year just lost to the same opposition by a point. Things began to change when the backroom changed. It was as if they had a slight influence in getting the team to play with a little more attacking style. Then with further backroom changes with the introduction of the 2, Kieran and Ciaran we had a very good and enjoyable year. I was all for geezer getting another year as a result. This year has been a total let down. I feel our top players were overused in too many league games, possibly as a result of not having confidence in other players, really a fear of losing. This also allowed later teams we played, to see exactly how and what our top players were doing. This meant they could plan to stiffle certain players. We lost an Ulster final by not being able to take advantage against 14 players and also not having a go to strategy for kick outs at the most crucial time at the end of a game. We then repeated this again against Monaghan. We fans deserve more. The players we had were not as bad as some people might want you to believe. We beat Tyrone in Omagh and lost a quarter final in the last 5 mins the year Paul Grimley was in charge. Despite this you will still hear people say how Geezer has brought us on. Sorry but these are the facts, no matter how I wish they weren't.
I accept that there is an argument that new management team is needed.
But my gripe was just posting a comment saying there is no reason for them to stay without backing it up.
You present a fair argument with sound reasoning which I accept (whether I agree or not is irrelevant).
Armaghball
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You’d ideally want them in place asap, give them a chance to get to as many club games as possible and get a look at potential new panel members.
Seamy
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The minute I saw Aaron Cunningham mentioned that was enough.
The man has more chips on his shoulder than Friar Tucks. Didn't get picked for Armagh as he wasn't good enough so he spends his time slating anything and anyone to make himself feel better. His opinion is the last I'd be taking in to account when considering if a managerial change is needed.
Rant over.
The man has more chips on his shoulder than Friar Tucks. Didn't get picked for Armagh as he wasn't good enough so he spends his time slating anything and anyone to make himself feel better. His opinion is the last I'd be taking in to account when considering if a managerial change is needed.
Rant over.
Great to see!!!
Bringyourboots
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Haven't posted since the game as to be honest I still can't get my head round it and am torn on what happens next.
I suppose a couple of things come to mind in relation to penalties. The first being the current fixtures schedule and perhaps the use of Croke Park (not all for GAA) limit replay opportunities but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be accomadated - they should. The 2nd thought is if we had to decide a game in a sudden death manner there are typically many more 45s in a GAA match than penalties and it is more of a skillset from our game. I would reckon quite a few panelists take 45s for their club so I would have less of an issue if the replay finishes as a draw using this method.
With regards to management future someone asked for a good reason why he should stay. I would say there are 30 odd lads who could answer that better than me and most of us; maybe we should factor that in. It's usually fairly obvious in sport when a manager has lost the dressing room and that hasn't happened here yet.
I had really hoped after years of development and varying the tactics to suit squad ability and our circumstances that last year we had reached the point where only all we needed this year was a percentage change. The full dial back to being predominantly defensive was neither expected to that degree or necessary.
The backroom has had a few refreshes and the Donaghy addition has been seen as a major coup albeit there is a feeling his role has been wasted this year.
Perhaps this is where one of the the faults with the manager lies. Not that he is not innovative, inspirational, getting the most out of what he has or willing to change things. There is evidence of all these things across his tenure but maybe it is that he over corrects in the desire to get things right.
I think it's obvious we don't have the depth of players available or the structure below to develop youth as yet so it is also harsh to be punished for that.
We are potentially in a precarious position given the new format in that a poor league campaign could see us outside the AI series proper; the wrong choice of new management could see that occur and knock us back years.
In reality who is out there that makes us more progressive? With the exception of Kerry and Dublin and as seen last week unsuccessfully, Mayo, all other teams play a brand of not wanting to lose football. In the modern game where players commit so much time, with expectations so high and management is a career, there is too much to lose. Without the resources or players, this fear factor football is here to stay for most counties and any new management we may get.
Next season gives us an opportunity to go and win games in the league, blood new players and recover confidence levels/develop a winning mentality with the added benefit of reducing playing time for older players.
So as disappointed and frustrated that I am, I think another year is the right call, just, with some caveats.
I would give a one year extension on his current contract with an agreed set of performance objects to keep the pressure on if failed. Bring in a proper number 2 not just a forward or defensive coach but someone who can help see the in game tactical changes we need to react to as well as the longer term tweaks to maximise team/player potential. Ideally this would be a candidate to take over long term giving the continuity being called for.
The question is who could or would do this?
Irrespective of what happens thanks to all involved in the setup this year and hopefully we will see everyone back next season with maybe a few additions and hopefully more success.
C'mon Armagh.
I suppose a couple of things come to mind in relation to penalties. The first being the current fixtures schedule and perhaps the use of Croke Park (not all for GAA) limit replay opportunities but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be accomadated - they should. The 2nd thought is if we had to decide a game in a sudden death manner there are typically many more 45s in a GAA match than penalties and it is more of a skillset from our game. I would reckon quite a few panelists take 45s for their club so I would have less of an issue if the replay finishes as a draw using this method.
With regards to management future someone asked for a good reason why he should stay. I would say there are 30 odd lads who could answer that better than me and most of us; maybe we should factor that in. It's usually fairly obvious in sport when a manager has lost the dressing room and that hasn't happened here yet.
I had really hoped after years of development and varying the tactics to suit squad ability and our circumstances that last year we had reached the point where only all we needed this year was a percentage change. The full dial back to being predominantly defensive was neither expected to that degree or necessary.
The backroom has had a few refreshes and the Donaghy addition has been seen as a major coup albeit there is a feeling his role has been wasted this year.
Perhaps this is where one of the the faults with the manager lies. Not that he is not innovative, inspirational, getting the most out of what he has or willing to change things. There is evidence of all these things across his tenure but maybe it is that he over corrects in the desire to get things right.
I think it's obvious we don't have the depth of players available or the structure below to develop youth as yet so it is also harsh to be punished for that.
We are potentially in a precarious position given the new format in that a poor league campaign could see us outside the AI series proper; the wrong choice of new management could see that occur and knock us back years.
In reality who is out there that makes us more progressive? With the exception of Kerry and Dublin and as seen last week unsuccessfully, Mayo, all other teams play a brand of not wanting to lose football. In the modern game where players commit so much time, with expectations so high and management is a career, there is too much to lose. Without the resources or players, this fear factor football is here to stay for most counties and any new management we may get.
Next season gives us an opportunity to go and win games in the league, blood new players and recover confidence levels/develop a winning mentality with the added benefit of reducing playing time for older players.
So as disappointed and frustrated that I am, I think another year is the right call, just, with some caveats.
I would give a one year extension on his current contract with an agreed set of performance objects to keep the pressure on if failed. Bring in a proper number 2 not just a forward or defensive coach but someone who can help see the in game tactical changes we need to react to as well as the longer term tweaks to maximise team/player potential. Ideally this would be a candidate to take over long term giving the continuity being called for.
The question is who could or would do this?
Irrespective of what happens thanks to all involved in the setup this year and hopefully we will see everyone back next season with maybe a few additions and hopefully more success.
C'mon Armagh.
Armaghball
Well-Known Member
Great stuff.