Is it time for change?

Is it time to seek a new manager for the senior team?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 53.8%

  • No

    Votes: 30 46.2%
  • Total voters
    65
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Wee man

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Armaghabroad22 said:
I appreciate this is not necessarily aimed at me, but none of my argument for McGeeney staying on is on the basis of money, luck or fine margins, nor have I said he deserves it.

Players wanting to play for management is however huge, and the risk of players deciding they may not want to commit for another year if there was a change in leader is something we do have to consider, particularly when we relied so heavily this year on some of the older lads to push us over the line. It's not just about wanting to play for a particular person, it's also the people management and style of football and backroom team that individual brings. And we still don't have any solid idea of who might take that role if McGeeney were to leave.

We only have to look at Donegal and their unfolding this year. I certainly don't know the full ins and outs of what happened in their camp, but changes in management can be huge for squad consistency and performance.

I also think the idea of McGeeney somehow orchestrating players to come out and support him in the media is ludicrous. You are talking about grown men with their own views and opinions which they are more than entitled to have and voice.
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On the last paragraph I would agree to a certain extent
I don’t think for a second McGeeney has orchestrated it, but the players are clearly making an effort to ensure the current management stays on.
Any of these boys just have to lift the phone, they don’t need McGeeneys ‘media contacts’
 
Diarmi

Diarmi

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Still haven't heard anyone offer a compelling argument about what McGeeney will bring next year to make me want him to stay, just more of the "but players will leave", "Look what happened to Donegal". Is that what Armagh has become, a county afraid of change and just wanting to play it safe. If so then we may all forget about the glory days again, let's just settle for "being talked about with the big boys", the nearly boys, the gallant losers. I can't wait for next year to see just how unfortunate we can be. FFS, pathetic.
 
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Armaghabroad22

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Diarmi said:
Still haven't heard anyone offer a compelling argument about what McGeeney will bring next year to make me want him to stay, just more of the "but players will leave", "Look what happened to Donegal". Is that what Armagh has become, a county afraid of change and just wanting to play it safe. If so then we may all forget about the glory days again, let's just settle for "being talked about with the big boys", the nearly boys, the gallant losers. I can't wait for next year to see just how unfortunate we can be. FFS, pathetic.
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He brings consistency, commitment and a willingness to pull on our county Jersey and do their absolute best. Can you hand on heart tell me that any hypothetical replacement will get that from the squad?

And Donegal are exactly what we should be looking at. Like it or lump it, but they were a hatefully difficult team to come up against, who were year in year out in contention for Ulster and knocking on the doors of the latter stages of the all ireland. They also had a massively dedicated squad with high milage who management seemed to consistently wrangle the most out of, whatever their talent and with not very much success at club and under age level.
I think there are alot of comparisons to make unfortunately.
 
Diarmi

Diarmi

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Armaghabroad22 said:
He brings consistency, commitment and a willingness to pull on our county Jersey and do their absolute best. Can you hand on heart tell me that any hypothetical replacement will get that from the squad?

And Donegal are exactly what we should be looking at. Like it or lump it, but they were a hatefully difficult team to come up against, who were year in year out in contention for Ulster and knocking on the doors of the latter stages of the all ireland. They also had a massively dedicated squad with high milage who management seemed to consistently wrangle the most out of, whatever their talent and with not very much success at club and under age level.
I think there are alot of comparisons to make unfortunately.
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Holy god, I rest my case.
 
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Smallball

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Are we brainwashed into thinking no other top manager would want the job, if the team is as good as we all think then surly the armagh job is an appealing one to many managers out there. There seems to be a fear about life without geezer, the 2 brians where let go in 01 after much more success, look what happened tyrone when micky harte was let go. Personally im convinced he sould go, mostly due to the constant negative gameplan, and lack of tactical nous on the line.
 
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Armaghabroad22

Active Member
Smallball said:
Are we brainwashed into thinking no other top manager would want the job, if the team is as good as we all think then surly the armagh job is an appealing one to many managers out there. There seems to be a fear about life without geezer, the 2 brians where let go in 01 after much more success, look what happened tyrone when micky harte was let go. Personally im convinced he sould go, mostly due to the constant negative gameplan, and lack of tactical nous on the line.
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I don't think it's a fear of life without McGeeney, I think it's the fear of the unknown and who is going to stand up and put themselves up for the job.
I'd honestly welcome and support any new management (bar Micky Harte or Mick O'Dywer) if that was the decision made by the club delegates.
 
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armaghtimmy

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From speaking to a few in the know at various clubs around the county, I believe the vote tonight will be a landslide in favour of him staying is the feeling I am getting.

Personally think it would have been good to change but if the above does come to pass, can we all please get behind the team and accept it. If he gets confirmed tonight for another year, its happening and the best chance of any success will be if everyone rows in behind him and team.
 
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niall1980

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armaghtimmy said:
From speaking to a few in the know at various clubs around the county, I believe the vote tonight will be a landslide in favour of him staying is the feeling I am getting.

Personally think it would have been good to change but if the above does come to pass, can we all please get behind the team and accept it. If he gets confirmed tonight for another year, its happening and the best chance of any success will be if everyone rows in behind him and team.
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I think it goes without saying that we all, even @Diarmi , will always be behind the team regardless of who is in charge.
I’d prefer someone new but if it is Geezer so be it. Looking forward to the McKenna cup already
 
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thehighballinlow

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The fact that its going to a vote should it not tell enough?

Even if he was to win with 70% of the vote there will always be that something invthe back of your mind.

As long as whats best for armagh that all that should matter
 
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armaghtimmy

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thehighballinlow said:
The fact that its going to a vote should it not tell enough?

Even if he was to win with 70% of the vote there will always be that something invthe back of your mind.

As long as whats best for armagh that all that should matter
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If he gets 51% of the vote then so be it, everyone should back the team or vote with their feet and not attend.

If there is really this widespread distain for him remaining in charge as some would insist there is, then the issue is with those clubs and those committees voting against what the majority of their members think (supposedly), not the man himself. Take it up with them and let the team and management get on with trying their best....
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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I would be careful of what we wish for. I am not massively for or against McGeeney and not high on who he is bringing in. I will reiterate - bring in someone who has been there and done it.

The names being bandied about on here are the same names that didn't want the job around 2012 - remember reading a news article that McEntee ruled himself out. I am not sure if this as due to Grimley or McGeeney wanting the job or if he didn't have the stomach to deal with the massive rebuild that was needed. However, seems happy enough doing it in Sligo.
 
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Slieve Gullion

Member
I'm not sure how well though through some people's position are on this - particularly those pushing for change right now.

The main issues seem to be style of play in the last 6 months (not before) and not closing out championship games. Those a fine margin issues with results ultimately determining the media (social) narrative around the team.

McGeeney has won DIvision 3 and Division 2 titles, lifted Armagh off its knees and is driving the county on both on the pitch and off it. Some of the possible candidates to replace him have done nothing of substance at county level. Dictating backroom is a nonsense. You either support a manager and his ability to make those sorts of decisions or you don't.

If it's not going to be a Malachy O'Rourke type figure (how many are there) with proven IC success then you are looking for a manager that has the skills and experience to keep pushing the team on.

I'm baffled as to how losing two penalty shoot outs in the biggest games of the season translates into McGeeney not having the skills to continue the job he was doing.

As far as I can see, those moaning at the style of play suddenly are actually complaining about the game itself as a sport because defend in numbers and counter is accepted now as the most efficient way to play the game. None of us like that but it's reality.
 
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McCoyDromintee

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Diarmi said:
On a side note, it has been very interesting watching all the well timed newspaper and online reports and interviews with current players backing McGeeney. He is obviously skilled in getting his message to the public. If he is retained next year (which I think he will) I have no doubt these media interjections will have played a significant part in persuading club delegates to back him.
Smacks a bit of desperation, maybe he could follow his old clubmate into politics.......
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He has 100% not organised anything media wise. That's not to say there hasn't been some co-ordination between certain parties, but McGeeney has not asked any player to go out to bat for him in the press.
 
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Naka

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Diarmi said:
On a side note, it has been very interesting watching all the well timed newspaper and online reports and interviews with current players backing McGeeney. He is obviously skilled in getting his message to the public. If he is retained next year (which I think he will) I have no doubt these media interjections will have played a significant part in persuading club delegates to back him.
Smacks a bit of desperation, maybe he could follow his old clubmate into politics.......
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Not true. he is keeping quiet
players though are backing him which has to amount for something, i have no skin in the game as such and was so pissed off by the tactics throughout the season and in particular the monaghan game when we were a man up but he must be doing something right
 
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SaintSeamy

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"The players back him so we have to back him"

I have nothing against McGeeney staying on because I don't really see another viable plan in place to replace him at this stage.

But to suggest that a group of players who have achieved absolutely nothing in their senior inter county careers should have a say in the future manager is utterly laughable.

It is indicative of declining standards in Armagh GAA that so many people would hold this view.

For clarity, the players view on McGeeney should be completely irrelevant.

I don't want a squad of players pulling on the jersey if they're moaning about McEntee or somebody else getting the job.

You play for Armagh, not Kieran McGeeney.
 
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