National League 2019

Patrick-Armagh

Well-Known Member
Today's performance and result was a real let down and was a snap shot of our league campaign in general. Started poorly, got better as the game went on and then let it slip at the end. The first half performance was awful and simply wasn't good enough. It was obvious that the players knew deep down that it didn't matter and played like that. The two goals were awful and carbon copies of each other. I thought it was a poor move having Patrick Burns, on his first start, marking their danger man. He got caught out for both goals and had a few other misreadings of the game, but did improve as it went on. Cork's players were able to run from deep time and again, right up the middle without being stopped. This shouldn't happen, especially when you have a packed defence.

We got better as the game progressed and stepped it up the second half. Joe McIlroy should really have played in Niall Grimley who would have had a simple palm into the net. But he went for a point and then they got a third goal which was terrible defending from us, with a player running from deep again. I also thought our shooting was terrible. Grugan and Grimley missed two easy frees. Jemar Hall dropped a straight forward chance into the keepers hands. Aidan Nugent had a chance and shot from far out when he had plenty of room to run into to make it an easier chance.

In terms of the ref, I thought he did ok. I had no problem with Grimley's black card or Rafferty's. I know people thought that Cork should have had some too. There was one on the left side of the square when someone was hauled back. That could have been one, just depends how it's interpreted. Is that cynical or an over zealous tackle? Then Nugent had his short pulled after Clarke had been fouled. I thought that Deegan had played the advantage after Clarke was fouled, but then he didn't give a card at all for the shorts tug, so did he just call the foul on Clarke? Other than that, I didn't have an issue with him.

Overall it was a sloppy performance with too many players not being fully at it. Our goal kicks and general play was just off target. This is a disappointing way to finish the league as a win would have been a good boost going into Down in the Championship. There's a tonne of work to be done and a lot of players need to find some form and fitness if we are to win.
 

Applecore

Member
I think today's game summarised the entire league.
At times today we were poor and at times very very good
As alluded by others match officiating was poor at times and costly
We should have won all our league games but didn't - even the Meath game

Today a number of players were rested but I think our strongest team is

Blaine Hughes
Ryan Kennedy
Aaron McKay
Paul Hughes
Greg McCabe
Brendan Donaghy
Aidan Forker
Oisin O'Neill
Niall Grimley
Jemar Hall
Rian O'Neill
Rory Grugan
Ethan Rafferty
Andrew Murnin
Jamie Clarke

That leaves - in no particular order:
Stefan Campbell
James Morgan
Aidan Nugent
Joe McElroy
Paddy Burns
Connaire Mackin
Charlie Vernon
Jarly Og Burns
Mark Shields
Pearse Casey
Jason Duffy
Ross Mcquillan
Jack Grugan
Ben Crealey
Ciaran Higgins

I'm sure there are more and a lot of variations to choose from.
I wouldn't be worried about today's performance - staying in division 2 was already secured.
If we could play with a little more composure we will beat Down and not fear either Monaghan or Cavan
Personally I wish we had done enough to gain promotion - to become better we must play better teams.
There are a lot of positives to take from the league and hopefully a good championship starts in 8 weeks or so.
Kennedy over Morgan and a man who
Hasn’t played county football in 2 years... interesting stuff to say the least...

Very poor today. Don’t understand armagh dropping 15 behind the ball with the personnel they have. With defeat today... could you really call the league a success? Lot of pressure to get a result against down and a championship run.
 
Awful performance.
Our game plan today would make the eyes bleed. 15 men behind the ball a lot of the time. No Armagh player in their half. All well and good admiring Jamie Clarke working back and stealing the ball back within our 45 but then when we look up theres not a single man to hit.
Not as if it even helps us to defend - 3 goals conceded.
Blaines kicking today was awful.
Lack of a ruthless streak was also unfuriating. Twice we were in on goal and instead of squaring the ball for a simple tap in lads took their own points by fisting the ball over the bar. On the 2nd occasion cork went straight up the field and scored a goal. We have to be a bit braver and ruthless infront of goal.
Was soupy injured? He did not look impressd to be taken off first half.

All in all a poor day at the office. Maybe with having nothing to play for contributed a little to it but i'd like to have seen us try to be more offensive with that pressure off.
 

thecritic

Well-Known Member
Very disappointing today - you simply can't give a team like Cork an 8 point lead. The most worrying for me is after doing all the hard work; back level with plenty of time left; wind at backs and all support there behind us - the wheels once again came off and we couldn't see the game out. This is a mental thing.

Also, do Armagh players not know that diving to foot-trip an opposing player with the hand is a stone-wall black card? This lack of discipline drives me mad. Geezer must be pulling his hair out when he sees this. That said, I was generally impressed with our tackling in the second half. Ultimately, the huge lead at the beginning was the difference.
 

Throwball

Well-Known Member
As others have said Armagh were brutal in first half but improved in the second half. I feel that the talent is there but the attitude needs to he there too. Tactic wise it looks like they are trying to vary between 15 v 15 and a blanket defence. Hopefully that is just trying to get alternatives for later in the summer. On saying that Armagh do worry me defensively.

As for the referee. I felt the Grimley card was completely wrong. It looked like a slip to me and not a deliberate trip. Also feel linesman made call as referee was speaking to him on his mike before card. The Rafferty card was stone wall. I also feel the referee was right not to give black cards to the 2 Cork players discussed- although the card for the foul on Rafferty could have been red as it was high and dangerous. For the cards to be black they have to be pull downs and not pull backs !

Time keeping at end was odd.
 
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Patrick-Armagh

Well-Known Member
I think today's game summarised the entire league.
At times today we were poor and at times very very good
As alluded by others match officiating was poor at times and costly
We should have won all our league games but didn't - even the Meath game

Today a number of players were rested but I think our strongest team is

Blaine Hughes
Ryan Kennedy
Aaron McKay
Paul Hughes
Greg McCabe
Brendan Donaghy
Aidan Forker
Oisin O'Neill
Niall Grimley
Jemar Hall
Rian O'Neill
Rory Grugan
Ethan Rafferty
Andrew Murnin
Jamie Clarke

No Morgan, Shields or Campbell? Oisin O'Neill and Murnin both starting having not played a minute this season?
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
I think today's game summarised the entire league.
At times today we were poor and at times very very good
As alluded by others match officiating was poor at times and costly
We should have won all our league games but didn't - even the Meath game

Today a number of players were rested but I think our strongest team is

Blaine Hughes
Ryan Kennedy
Aaron McKay
Paul Hughes
Greg McCabe
Brendan Donaghy
Aidan Forker
Oisin O'Neill
Niall Grimley
Jemar Hall
Rian O'Neill
Rory Grugan
Ethan Rafferty
Andrew Murnin
Jamie Clarke

That leaves - in no particular order:
Stefan Campbell
James Morgan
Aidan Nugent
Joe McElroy
Paddy Burns
Connaire Mackin
Charlie Vernon
Jarly Og Burns
Mark Shields
Pearse Casey
Jason Duffy
Ross Mcquillan
Jack Grugan
Ben Crealey
Ciaran Higgins

I'm sure there are more and a lot of variations to choose from.
I wouldn't be worried about today's performance - staying in division 2 was already secured.
If we could play with a little more composure we will beat Down and not fear either Monaghan or Cavan
Personally I wish we had done enough to gain promotion - to become better we must play better teams.
There are a lot of positives to take from the league and hopefully a good championship starts in 8 weeks or so.

I like Oisin ONeill but he has been injured all league. Do you really think he fits into our best team? You missed Sheridan also. Hard to argue with 1-7. I like Morgan but I think Kennedy has done enough to keep the jersey. RONeill at 11 is a good shout too. And the full forward line is strong. Campbell's performances have dropped as he league went on, barring last week against Fermanagh. I do know he has been injured. He would be a good sub to bring on
 

PatMustard

Well-Known Member
Just been reading the Irish News report from the Fermanagh match.

No problems this week. Compliments all round. Nothing anti-Armagh.

I promised @Calm1 I’d run my eye over those boyos’ Armagh match reports. Cork match up next. I’ll probably have that one reviewed come Easter.
 

Bert

Active Member
Disappointing performance.

Again, no shape in the forward line and nobody on the line able to see what's going wrong. Everything is clearly analysed to death meaning players are unable / unwilling to adapt to changes during the game. As with the Meath game, the game was there for taking with a strong wind at our backs but we play with everyone in our own half.

Two years ago we conceded 3-8 to tipp in the last match of the 2017 division 3 campaign. We conceded 3-9 today. Same mistakes time and time again. No craft, guile or badness on show.
 

Bert

Active Member
No Morgan, Shields or Campbell? Oisin O'Neill and Murnin both starting having not played a minute this season?

Oisin O'Neill and murnin will be huge doubts for Newry given they have missed the entire league, however, if fit they must start as they are a level above most of the lads who have been starting most of the league matches
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
Oisin O'Neill and murnin will be huge doubts for Newry given they have missed the entire league, however, if fit they must start as they are a level above most of the lads who have been starting most of the league matches
Murnin can only play full forward so which if Clarke Campbell and ONeill is he a level above given they are the three who have been in there most of the league. Where does Oisin come in?
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
The goal we had disallowed was that the right call? It looked ok to me. Also should we have had another penalty?
Not blaming the ref for today’s loss. He we taken two marks instead of playing on we would have won
 

Bert

Active Member
Murnin can only play full forward so which if Clarke Campbell and ONeill is he a level above given they are the three who have been in there most of the league. Where does Oisin come in?

Oisin comes in at midfield.

I think Jamie, soupy and Rian have spent most of the league between midfield and our half back line which is a large part of the problem. Murnin (like Rian) is equally at home at 11 or 14.
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
Oisin comes in at midfield.

I think Jamie, soupy and Rian have spent most of the league between midfield and our half back line which is a large part of the problem. Murnin (like Rian) is equally at home at 11 or 14.
Over Grimley Og Burns orSheridan?
Can’t rememver Murnin playing CHF for us
 

Sundance kid

New Member
Did Rian Oneill ask the ref at the end is this the last kick ? If not , why not .. what was the point kicking it over ? Might as well get beat by 2 as 1
 

Applecore

Member
Oisin o’neill... no harm lads but he hasn’t played an inter county game in 2 years. In the club championship and ulster last year cross were Cleaned round the middle in a few games and only for rian coming out to midfield to make the difference, they were really struggling.
He kicked some lovely scores against Coalisland and ballymacnab in the closing stages and no doubt is a good young player but has done absolutely nothing to show us that he is an inter county midfielder.
Personnel isn’t the problem. It’s playing the personnel out of position is the problem. Why armagh don’t resort to the tactics of cross field kick passes into rian, soupy and Jamie and leaving 3 up. Those lads would start in division 1 teams... if you’re an opposition manager and you see them standing on their own 45 you would be deleighted. Armagh seem to have got this reputation that they want to come and play football all the time... it’s a nonsense. Play to your strengths, 3 class forwards... leave them up front!!!
 

Bert

Active Member
Over Grimley Og Burns orSheridan?
Can’t rememver Murnin playing CHF for us

This is obviously only my view, but yes, certainly over Sheridan or burns at this stage in burns' county career.

Murnin played 11 when we won the 2009 AI minor and he got man of the match in the final I believe. Plays there for his club. He has obviously been used predominantly at 14 for the county seniors
 
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