Ulster Championship 2023

Influx

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As excited this evening as I was before my first Ulster Final in 1981! Enthusiasm not tempered in over40 years, though the good lady things that my diagnosis is getting worse as time goes by! Have looked on at Ulster Finals in recent years as unmoved as I am by the Eurovision on the telly here now, but know the Clones will be orange hot tomorrow. Believe that we have a variety of game plans that we can utilise now when necessary which along with the vast experience of many of the squad will stand us in good stead, safe travels to those on the road tomorrow and look after yourself if unable to make it, but enjoy, these days are not a god-given right of any Ulster county and the Clones finals are soon to become part of the history of our association
 

Peter grimes

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It’s like this.

We win tomorrow and we have punched through in the toughest championship, won silverware and won top seeding.

We lose and we are still alive, albeit in a tougher group. A lot of Derry gaels have been through the absolute mill. I will stand on the pitch and applaud the victors and hope that we get through our group and get another rattle at them.

Aim for the top. And keep climbing. Onwards and upwards.

I hope everyone and all their families, young and old, in Clones, at home and abroad enjoy the day. It’s been a long road but we have arrived at a key staging point, but not yet at the end of the road. The future extends beyond tomorrow.
 

thecritic

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It’s like this.

We win tomorrow and we have punched through in the toughest championship, won silverware and won top seeding.

We lose and we are still alive, albeit in a tougher group. A lot of Derry gaels have been through the absolute mill. I will stand on the pitch and applaud the victors and hope that we get through our group and get another rattle at them.

Aim for the top. And keep climbing. Onwards and upwards.

I hope everyone and all their families, young and old, in Clones, at home and abroad enjoy the day. It’s been a long road but we have arrived at a key staging point, but not yet at the end of the road. The future extends beyond tomorrow.
Feel very sorry for the Derry gaels also. If we lose, well, we'll have to look at the manner of it. If the lads put in a great performance we can't complain, whatever the result and carry positivity through to the AI series. Hopefully they give us a performance to be proud of.
Interesting to hear the speech if Derry win
 
Just wanted to check in with everyone from George Town in the Caribbean. 2 AM here and the wife (the one that got me into this madness) cannot wait for tomorrow, never seen her so excited for a game. Cautiously optimistic, I think we will win it. We have 7 people over to our flat tomorrow for the game which is during our morning and we've already made breakfast for everyone. I'll say it again, can't wait, let's have them.
 
Very excited about today and thank God people who wanted tickets seem to all be sorted out ok in the finish up. Such stress! I’d say there’ll be a few available down at Clones as well. I think we’re gonna do it. Think the manager situation with Derry isn’t going to be all that relevant as their preparation for this game will have been complete. Down the line it could well impact them this year. They have loads coming through and it’s a very attractive position for a potential replacement so if the Derry county board are reading this then I’m willing to speak to them about it

I think today will be a little lower scoring than has been the case up until now in the championship. I’m nervous about the first half. We werent impressive against Down early on and they (even they) should have made more of their chances. It would be great to give it to them early on and not let them build momentum. I‘m going for a 1-14 to 1-12 win for us. Ard Mhacha Abú!!!
 

huggy2002

Active Member
Colours to the mast: I'm in the camp that believes, despite their storied past, the provincial championships are becoming the proverbial square peg. For me that’s a logical position. Yet, just like the game this afternoon, logic only ever takes you so far.

The atmosphere, drama and excitement in Clones combine to impact the collective consciousness of those in attendance and those tuning in, in a way no group stage will ever be able to do.

As a child, having travelled over the mountain from Fivemiletown, I would’ve joined the hoards trekking in a few miles or, in my earliest days, hitching a lift on the back of a tractor trailer.

The whole thing was other worldly. Mad, rip-roaring, febrile contests in the misfit cauldron of St Tiernach’s Park, Clones, were practically a rite of passage up here.

In anticipation alone, despite the turbulent build-up, today is an important timely reminder of what we are potentially losing.

Setting the emotion aside let’s return to the cold logic with which both teams will be approaching this blockbuster.

Derry’s application of mass attack not only gives them an effective attacking platform but also significantly disrupts opponents' positional set-up and allows them to dictate the terms of engagement.

Even without Rory Gallagher facing him on the sideline, this is the conundrum that Kieran McGeeney has to figure out.

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Chrissy McKaigue is happy to drag his marker up the field
Derry’s positioning of several players deep inside the opposition's 21 has been obvious for a while but it is the personnel involved that is perhaps most noteworthy. It’s highly fluid of course but the likes of Eoin McEvoy, Gareth McKinless and Chrissy McKaigue were some of the most common residents there in the Monaghan game.

The consequent dragging of the opposition's best forwards so far down the pitch impacts the ability to launch effective counter-attacks when that should be the Achilles heel of Derry’s full-15 attacking shape. A win-win that you can bet is factored in.

Derry break a number of other widely accepted rules with their attacking play. Keep your shooters close to goal; keep the shooting area clear; keep a defensive plus one; inside men must be constantly moving.

Yes, the shooters are within range, but as mentioned earlier, often the defenders are closest to goal. Who was ready to pounce had Conor McCluskey’s shot for goal been saved? Eoin McEvoy.

Unlike Monaghan and Fermanagh, Armagh have the athleticism to match up one-to-one across the pitch
The 'D’ is clear at times but just as many times Derry players will drift into it. In fact, this drifting or walking movement seems a definite ploy. Many times, Derry players are static or simply walk into more condensed or deeper positions.

It's this pedestrian pace that is key to them functioning effectively in that, being diligently tagged, it allows them to move opponents around and create pockets of space that appear at odds with the fact that all 30 players are between the 45 and the endline.

Consider the alternative, if everyone is running and looking to get on the ball, it would be carnage. Many Derry players that make the trek up the pitch do not show any desire or expectation to be on the ball.

Why have they made the 100-yard trek up there then? For its impact on the opposition. Derry have seen this to be so effective that they have gone all in, pushing last year's plus one and even their goalkeeper up into the mix.

Playing in and through a crowd, even if many aren’t moving, still demands high levels of control and decision making. Hence only Derry’s best players have frequent involvements in these attacks.

The likes of Shane McGuigan, Conor Glass, Ethan Doherty and Brendan Rodgers are all repeatedly involved far in excess of other players. From here their use of loops, screens and cutting runs verges on the telepathic and, when they have shooting days like against Monaghan, they appear unstoppable.

The widely accepted approach to taking on a counter-attacking team like Derry is to mirror them, initially at least. Given the impact Derry’s all-out attack has in this scenario and the quality with which they are playing I’m not sure this works.

Unlike Monaghan and Fermanagh, Armagh have the athleticism to match up one-to-one across the pitch, that’s massive. It means they can meet Derry higher up the pitch, preventing them drifting unimpeded into their attacking shape.

It creates a one-to-one game that was effective for Dublin in the Division 2 league final but was probably best demonstrated by the Mayo performances against Dublin in those manic All-Ireland contests. Mayo’s approach knocked the control-obsessed Dubs out of their comfort zone. Dublin still won but Derry are not that Dublin team.

Will McGeeney go all out like this? Is there a balance to be struck? Can they meet Derry higher up the pitch but, remaining on the defensive side, end up in a good defensive set-up should Derry get into their attack?

Can they attempt to cover off the Derry attacking bystanders with zonal defending to increase the heat on their main ball carriers?

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Ben Crealey is a powerful figure for Armagh around the middle of the park
I think they can. In fact I think their performances so far this year are made for it. Achieve the turnover, and the Armagh counter-attack in full flow is as good as there is.

With Ciaran Mackin, Jarly Óg Burns, Shane McPartlan and Ben Crealey, Armagh’s middle eight has transformed from a vulnerability to a strength and will make Derry’s high press high risk.

Derry shot the lights out against Monaghan; it was one of those days. On a normal day, I see more natural scoring power in the Armagh ranks, it’s just whether they can create enough chances.

And all that before we discuss goalkeepers.

Sold out long before mid-week, Armagh v Derry is as perfectly-poised an Ulster final as we’ve had in years. Both teams want it and want it bad. That sounds stupid, who doesn’t want to win a final? But sometimes that want is more a desperation and, while it will never be aired by either camp, I think that’s where both teams find themselves on Sunday.

This, in a year when many, including myself, have questioned the value of these provincial competitions.

Logic may take its leave for the day. Our games - the passion, the amateur status, even the competition structures - might make plenty scratch their heads. But on days like this, they somehow all make sense. Bring it on!
 

ragingbull

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Derry change Benny Heron for Padraig Cassidy

Armagh changes James Morgan for Ben Crealey
Barry McCambridge for Stefan Campbell

Mackin & Burns in Armagh midfield probably
 
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