Allianz Football League 2022 Division 1

William Of Orange

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Never doubted your integrity or sincerity for a single second. Apologies! The bit in bold didn't refer to you (an example of quoting someone's post and being used by me incorrectly) but it was suggested, in fact mentioned as a fact by some.

Mind you, you are also spot on with the round up and express how I feel about the inconsistent application of punishments. We can't help feel being "made an example of"! As some suggest and I agree we rightly deserved to be punished for infraction. But by that logic, our honesty allows us the right to ask why others didn't have the same applied.

I was determined not to comment on the events directly, but feel there are three incidents I think should have been mentioned and either not picked up by others or just not felt important.

On watching the footage over a few times I've noticed"
A steward from Donegal (wearing a hi vis vest) is clearing seen getting involved and physically manhandling at least two of our players
A Donegal backroom member (youngish lad) wearing a tracksuit and vest (like the Maor Foirne vest but can't identify what is on it, is clearly seen swinging a left hook and making contact with an unidentifiable Armagh player (unidentifiable as there's so many in the crowd.
A Donegal sub/backroom member wearing black shorts and a vest is clearly seen jumping into the foray and striking at least one of our players and pulling at a few others until he appears to get an elbow to the chin from Donegal #6 or #8 - not that clear, but he seems to skulk away after that.
I'll not name the player, but I'm astounded that one of our lads wasn't also cited for what looked like a two handed/fist punch clearly to a Donegal player.

We're far from innocent, but by an equal amount, we're far from being the worst at it. Obviously there are a lot of other incidents, but I can't remember who above also said something like, why wasn't there at least 20 players cited.

All that said, it's time to look forward. We take whatever punishment we get regardless of when it is settled, either with or without appeals going in our favour. We're not going into Championship with all our team intact no matter if he had OJ Simpson's legal team. We just have to accept that. It is of our making. If we get caught speeding we can't say, sure everyone else is at it and use that as a defence. Hateful as it is, we didn't learn after getting off light against Tyrone. In fact it made our lads think they were like Teflon.
Simple as this a trap was set and we fell into it . I’m not one for conspiracy theories but no doubt a few Donegal players namely McGee and others went out to wind our guys up , whether it was orchestrated by their management I don’t know .But they done us up rightly hook ,line and sinker.
 

Rufus T Firefly

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Very frustrating from an Armagh point of view, as this represented our best squad in terms of trying to make a breakthrough at Provincial level, in some considerable time. These losses are game changers.

Call me paranoid, but I definitely feel we were ambushed, but the reality is there is a case to answer. I know it is easy for me to say, standing behind the fence, but we should have been more disciplined.

As long as there is consistency here, going forward, then my frustration can be tempered. That means consistency in terms of referees reporting these issues, the relevant disciplinary committee applying consistent sanctions and indeed the relevant broadcasters highlighting these issues everywhere, as and when they arise.

The sense I get is that when this is called out on national television, there is an increased urgency / determination within the GAA to take action to deal with it. Again, the paranoid within me sees the RTE analysis in this instance as quite forensic when it was not so for similar incidents.
 

Peter grimes

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Very frustrating from an Armagh point of view, as this represented our best squad in terms of trying to make a breakthrough at Provincial level, in some considerable time. These losses are game changers.

Call me paranoid, but I definitely feel we were ambushed, but the reality is there is a case to answer. I know it is easy for me to say, standing behind the fence, but we should have been more disciplined.

As long as there is consistency here, going forward, then my frustration can be tempered. That means consistency in terms of referees reporting these issues, the relevant disciplinary committee applying consistent sanctions and indeed the relevant broadcasters highlighting these issues everywhere, as and when they arise.

The sense I get is that when this is called out on national television, there is an increased urgency / determination within the GAA to take action to deal with it. Again, the paranoid within me sees the RTE analysis in this instance as quite forensic when it was not so for similar incidents.
Fully agree with the first 3 paragraphs. This is where we need to get to. I think Rufus is drawing a distinction between what he suspects and what he knows. It’s important to not let suspicions gnaw away at us.

The final paragraph I have some issues with. If it’s league Sunday we are talking about I don’t think there was forensic analysis. It was played once and they talked over it in general terms. Maybe it’s some other Rte coverage that is being referred to. Between this incident and the Tyrone match there incidents that elevated the danger that from memory were not present in the Kerry v Dublin match. Punches and headlocks. There is a distinction and it’s important
 

huggy2002

Active Member
Listening to a podcast there that Oisin Mcconville was on and he was saying its more or less Impossible for Armagh to win in Ballybofey now with the loss of the Four boys.
 

armaghlad

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Listening to a podcast there that Oisin Mcconville was on and he was saying its more or less Impossible for Armagh to win in Ballybofey now with the loss of the Four boys.
I think Oisin is playing a bit of cute hoorism. O’Neill is a massive loss and the team will struggle without him but Mackin, Nugent and Campbell while big losses are not irreplaceable.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but part of me thinks management should have foreseen this coming, especially after the Tyrone debacle. Donegal are no doubt laughing right now.
 

ragingbull

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I think Oisin is playing a bit of cute hoorism. O’Neill is a massive loss and the team will struggle without him but Mackin, Nugent and Campbell while big losses are not irreplaceable.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but part of me thinks management should have foreseen this coming, especially after the Tyrone debacle. Donegal are no doubt laughing right now.
Nugent & Campbell aren't irreplaceable who's going to get the scores for Armagh then
 

Naka

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Definitely think Armagh have plausible grounds for appeal on the basis that there seems to have been an inequity in the suspensions .
Armagh should go the whole way on these appeals right through to the DRA as this will force the gaa to give an insight as to how one person was chosen against another
 

Armagh_paul

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This has rumbled on for long enough, we have a championship game in just under three weeks, lets focus on the players that we do have. A little more optimism on the forum we are blessed with some fine forwards that can replace those who are lost. The management should appeal where they see fit and will, that is going to rumble on in the background.

What happened with Donegal not only harmed us then but it is continuing to have a toxic effect now. Focus the minds and use what has happened as motivation to beat them.
 
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pablo

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This has rumbled on for long enough, we have a championship game in just over three weeks, lets focus on the players that we do have. A little more optimism on the forum we are blessed with some fine forwards that can replace those who are lost. The management should appeal where they see fit and will, that is going to rumble on in the background.

What happened with Donegal not only harmed us then but it is continuing to have a toxic effect now. Focus the minds and use what has happened as motivation to beat them.
I hoping that through a win in Ballybofey, we witness a truly classical moment in Armagh GAA history and a defining moment for this squad. It can happen. There will be an orange march through Ballybofey/Stranolar that evening.
 

Peter grimes

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Definitely think Armagh have plausible grounds for appeal on the basis that there seems to have been an inequity in the suspensions
Inequity is not a basis of appeal.

Surely the only basis for appeal is innocence or the integrity sapping “technicality”?

If we start with inequity business we are likely to be escorted from the premises in a pram.

Would you appeal the Mackin ban (I appreciate that it’s now academic based on his injury)? What would you say when they replay the video showing guilt?

I would be keen for us to not come out of this looking like whinging assholes
 

thecritic

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This has rumbled on for long enough, we have a championship game in just under three weeks, lets focus on the players that we do have. A little more optimism on the forum we are blessed with some fine forwards that can replace those who are lost. The management should appeal where they see fit and will, that is going to rumble on in the background.

What happened with Donegal not only harmed us then but it is continuing to have a toxic effect now. Focus the minds and use what has happened as motivation to beat them.

We definitely go in as massive underdogs now and there'll be no pressure on our lads. For me this game is now all about performance. If we really give them a shot it will do us the world of good no matter the result and for the next game we should have great competition for places and a very strong panel be it a semi or back door.
 

Naka

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Inequity is not a basis of appeal.

Surely the only basis for appeal is innocence or the integrity sapping “technicality”?

If we start with inequity business we are likely to be escorted from the premises in a pram.

Would you appeal the Mackin ban (I appreciate that it’s now academic based on his injury)? What would you say when they replay the video showing guilt?

I would be keen for us to not come out of this looking like whinging assholes
Paul
I have been involved in dra cases so know the process !
It’s run as a court case
The ccc decision seems flawed and therefore inequitable .
Let’s see how ccc deal with how they reached their decision over other instances
The appeal on all three initial matters is as you would appreciate based on the rationale that we may get 1 off, although I believe that’s remote
 

Kem

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Another problem. No-one has mentioned it but O'Neill, Campbell and Nugent are all right footed freetakers. If Turbett is not fit we would have a major problem there.
 

jpowell100

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Another problem. No-one has mentioned it but O'Neill, Campbell and Nugent are all right footed freetakers. If Turbett is not fit we would have a major problem there.
Oisin O’Neill would be good at frees I’d say, if he plays that is
 
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