ragingbull
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i know that's why Gaago don't show it in the island of Ireland
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ragingbull
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Down vs Meath is in the Athletic Ground
Jamie's Coffee
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We finished the game with Ross McQuillan, Ciaran O’Hanlon in defence who are attackers traditionally as well as Barry McCambridge who is still finding his feet at this level. So that didn’t help - the injuries were devastating in defence. That said...Donaghy? Shields? O’Neill?
Also, anyone know the story with Murnin?
Also, anyone know the story with Murnin?
Big Jim
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I've watched 5 games so far today on different platforms (yes sadly a day in the house watching games) including the Dublin v Kerry game and currently number 6 with the Waterford v Limerick Hurling.
I take on board all that is said about frees, but watch other games and get a little perspective. No team I've seen yet are not giving away soft enough frees. To be fair most teams are "buying" their frees and last night was no exception. We can be as fantastic or "cute" in the tackle as the best in the game, but if a ref believes that a foul is committed, the free is given. I heard a good quote yesterday in another sport - "was it within the spirit of the rules?" Reply, "there's no such thing as "spirit of the rules". It's black or white. Either it's a rule or it isn't!" I think maybe as supporters we're worrying too much about our player inadequacies and not supporting what they're actually trying to do. We're not top 5 and have no right to believe that we should suddenly deserve to be beating one of the top 5. Compete absolutely, but realise we have work to do and remember that we've only been collectively training 4 - 5 weeks and "could" have won a game against a team playing at this level consistently for a number of years. We have the players, just not the experience.............. well just not yet, but it'll come. Patience and yeah I get it that some of these lads are close to retirement, but nothing new there either.
Next weekend we play a team that have perfected a system of playing the ref. Remember the game in the storm in Ballybofey a couple of years back when it looked like there were snipers in the ground. We have to take yesterday on board and fight fire with fire. I'm not convinced that some of our injuries weren't "inflicted". One thing I did agree with though is our forwards and shot selection. I know Donaghy is only part of the set up a very short time and will need a bit more to bed his ideas in, but contrast our style of kicking with that of Tyrone and they looked much more confident and assured in their attempts. At least three of our lads out on that field yesterday were well capable of long range shooting. Again I agree, instead of working the ball in for goal and losing possession, we should be shooting for points, keep the scoreboard ticking, gain confidence and narrow the chance for opposition to turn us over. Forget about the free count (okay well yeah we ned to reduce it), they'll happen. But make sure ours count. Kerry today pushed up massively on the Dublin kick out and strangled their normal fast free kicks and should have won the game. Now where have we heard that before!
I take on board all that is said about frees, but watch other games and get a little perspective. No team I've seen yet are not giving away soft enough frees. To be fair most teams are "buying" their frees and last night was no exception. We can be as fantastic or "cute" in the tackle as the best in the game, but if a ref believes that a foul is committed, the free is given. I heard a good quote yesterday in another sport - "was it within the spirit of the rules?" Reply, "there's no such thing as "spirit of the rules". It's black or white. Either it's a rule or it isn't!" I think maybe as supporters we're worrying too much about our player inadequacies and not supporting what they're actually trying to do. We're not top 5 and have no right to believe that we should suddenly deserve to be beating one of the top 5. Compete absolutely, but realise we have work to do and remember that we've only been collectively training 4 - 5 weeks and "could" have won a game against a team playing at this level consistently for a number of years. We have the players, just not the experience.............. well just not yet, but it'll come. Patience and yeah I get it that some of these lads are close to retirement, but nothing new there either.
Next weekend we play a team that have perfected a system of playing the ref. Remember the game in the storm in Ballybofey a couple of years back when it looked like there were snipers in the ground. We have to take yesterday on board and fight fire with fire. I'm not convinced that some of our injuries weren't "inflicted". One thing I did agree with though is our forwards and shot selection. I know Donaghy is only part of the set up a very short time and will need a bit more to bed his ideas in, but contrast our style of kicking with that of Tyrone and they looked much more confident and assured in their attempts. At least three of our lads out on that field yesterday were well capable of long range shooting. Again I agree, instead of working the ball in for goal and losing possession, we should be shooting for points, keep the scoreboard ticking, gain confidence and narrow the chance for opposition to turn us over. Forget about the free count (okay well yeah we ned to reduce it), they'll happen. But make sure ours count. Kerry today pushed up massively on the Dublin kick out and strangled their normal fast free kicks and should have won the game. Now where have we heard that before!
PatMustard
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Big Jim
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Cheers man! Oh just the usually weet biscuit thingys (that can't be named directly for legal and advertising reasons) with LOADS of fresh milk. Sure you couldn't bate it with a big fry up..................................em well I mean that takes too long to make!That’s a hell of a post @Big Jim . What did you eat for breakfast this morning?
Totally agree with everything you said (I hate it when I have to admit that!).
We’ll get there. We’re on the right track. Staying in Div 1 is essential for our progress.
I just think that sometimes we try and over complicate our criticism. I can't say a single thing I've read from a single poster is wrong. Even if it differs from my opinion on it, it's still a valid observation and opinion of the person writing it and I always love to read the differing opinions on how we see things.
ragingbull
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kerry vs dublin,galway vs roscommon,down vs meath,kildare vs clare,sligo vs antrim waterford vs limerick,im i right
Michael Flanagan
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Three things in last night's game losing A Forker Rory's black card missed penalty avoid any one of them I believe we could have a different result
Armaghball
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Big ask to beat Donegal but definitely doable if we get all the lads back from injury, plus they will be missing Murphy?
Worst case scenario we absolutely have it in us to beat Roscommon or Galway.
Worst case scenario we absolutely have it in us to beat Roscommon or Galway.
gael_force_orchard
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Yeah I actually think we have it in us to beat them myself. They would allow us to play a bit more expensively and we could push up a bit
Armagh_paul
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Donegal are always beatable but lately h they have hammered us at every opportunity
Big Jim
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Nope but close. just the 4 wrongkerry vs dublin,galway vs roscommon,down vs meath,kildare vs clare,sligo vs antrim waterford vs limerick,im i right
weeskitter
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Soupy had a poor day. 4 balls given away and missed pen. Maybe needs relieved of captaincy. McCambridge and Paddy Burns not at the races. 2 O'Neills and Grugan done well.
Patrick-Armagh
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While there were positives to be taken away from Saturday's game, I really feel that it was a result that we left behind. The injuries we suffered played a crucial part in that. Having to replace our entire fullback line was always going to hurt us down the stretch. I thought we more than matched Tyrone. Conor McKenna who so much is placed on and seems to be one of those players who can't be subbed no matter what, didn't have a kick. We matched them physically and created several turn overs, which was really encouraging.
I think it's clear that defensively Armagh are weak in certain areas and would explain why we play a packed defence. With only one man up front, it means that nearly all our counter attacks have to lead to scores, otherwise we struggle to score in open play. Hopefully Kieran Donaghy can help with that. Missing the penalty was the turning point. We had managed to keep Tyrone at bay while down to 14 and that penalty would have put us 4 points ahead. It was saved and from that point Tyrone took over.
Our hand passing was also extremely poor. I lost count of the amount of times hand passes were off target, went to ground, were too high or low, which that stunted our momentum or allowed a Tyrone player to converge on one of ours.
There's promising signs, but we are still along way off the top sides. But it's great to see the team back again and competing at the top level, which is the only way we will bridge that gap.
I think it's clear that defensively Armagh are weak in certain areas and would explain why we play a packed defence. With only one man up front, it means that nearly all our counter attacks have to lead to scores, otherwise we struggle to score in open play. Hopefully Kieran Donaghy can help with that. Missing the penalty was the turning point. We had managed to keep Tyrone at bay while down to 14 and that penalty would have put us 4 points ahead. It was saved and from that point Tyrone took over.
Our hand passing was also extremely poor. I lost count of the amount of times hand passes were off target, went to ground, were too high or low, which that stunted our momentum or allowed a Tyrone player to converge on one of ours.
There's promising signs, but we are still along way off the top sides. But it's great to see the team back again and competing at the top level, which is the only way we will bridge that gap.
pablo
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Pretty much spot on
Some clear positives alright. A day or so afterwards, there is the definite feeling we left that game behind us. For significant periods we did dominate, but a combination of tiredness and lack of street smarts gave Tyrone the opportunity to take the game back and close it out. And we are definitely sprinkled with some excellent talent. Some players look like they need a few games to get to the pitch of things at the moment. Grimley and O'Hanlon for example-the latter I think can bring a lot to the team with a settled role and more games. Its a pity that the present league set up is so unforgiving in that aspect for allowing that development. Agree about the handpassing-especially up front with quite a few promising moves broke down due to 'slow hands'. Staying in Div 1 will be a huge boost to this team, both in confidence and development.
Armagh_paul
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Injuries definitely forced McGeeney's hand a little. He has been criticised in the past about being too late to make changes and on Saturday he was early making them but perhaps should have been a little more savvy with Jemar Hall coming off - think he made the right call will Morgan though. Out of all the injuries I really hope Forker is ok because he really is needed.
Another positive from the game is our work ethic, usually against teams we fade out in the last ten minutes. Although the last ten minutes on Saturday is where we suffered a lot of damage the team were tiring, played with 14 men and missed a penalty. Morale dropped, energy levels dropped but kept trying. Armagh were desperate for another goal whereas points with 10 minutes left would have been beneficial.
I don't like the blanket defence but it is better than having a defence forward lines can waltz through whenever it pleases them.
Anyway, time to get the heads right for Donegal.
Armagh_paul
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Taking the captaincy away from Campbell now would be risky as you would think his morale is down after his performance on Saturday. However, there could be an argument that he needs to focus on his own role and not worry about the team. If Forker is back for Donegal he should definitely be the captain - once a liability he is now the most consistent, calmest and productive players in this squad.
By the way, WELCOME BACK!