Diarmi
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We did make the same changes against Antrim, 12 at HT.
Mckenna Cup
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Well I guess they will learn there was no leaders
Don't know what geezer was thinking. Making subs at half time in a mckenna cup group game.
@PatMustard your a whizz kid on these computers. Get the geezer out petition started
Wasn't a great performance but I still prefer to make changes just to see lads get a run out. Second half was a disaster but with the conditions I wouldn't be judging the forwards too harsh. In midfield we struggled I think but I though jarly burns and mccambridge did well also thought c oneill did ok. I don't like being too harsh but for me young magill isn't cut for county I know he is still young but he is way to slow at taking the kickouts. Maybe being out of the county spotlight might improve him with less pressure. Armagh will have a few more games before league behind closed doors no doubt.
Bull leanard
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No, I would not call for geezer to leave, but I hope he as learned from this himself, I know I have learned, geezer is not as clever as I though!!!Well I guess they will learn there was no leaders
Don't know what geezer was thinking. Making subs at half time in a mckenna cup group game.
@PatMustard your a whizz kid on these computers. Get the geezer out petition started
So we made 12 changes against Antrim and still retained the flow of the game.
But we do it against Cavan and suddenly it is all management fault.
Some of the lads could well be thinking they are miles off and the harsh truth is that some off them are.
Lads this this inter county football. Surely players at that level don't need babysat and build their confidence up. If they not confident enough to play at that level then they shouldn't be playing at that level.
And that is not aimed at any player involved tonight. Just inter county football in general.
Don't get this comment at all. So what do you think he should have learnt from tonight??
And let's be honest I don't think he made the changes thinking that changes would guarantee we went on to win the match. He certainly wasn't making them thinking it was a tactical masterstroke
I'm sure he disappointed with the performance in 2nd half. But the final result I don't think he was ever concerned about. And personally I couldn't care less about tonight's result.
Tonight's result and to some extent is completely irrelevant to me
Armagh_paul
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I would be of the opinion for new players in particular - if you are making mistakes against Antrim or Cavan you are going to find yourself under a greater level of scrutiny when compared to proven regulars.
ragingbull
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PatMustard
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Why always me?Well I guess they will learn there was no leaders
Don't know what geezer was thinking. Making subs at half time in a mckenna cup group game.
@PatMustard your a whizz kid on these computers. Get the geezer out petition started
Just get it done.
Put down that glass of port, put the cigar out and summon the butler to bring your finest parchment paper to make a start on this petition
Diarmi
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Were you at the Antrim game? It had the same effect then too however we were 9 points up against awful opposition so we rode the storm.
I don't care whether we win the McKenna cup but we need to use every game we can to improve and build. The last two games had the opposite effect.
SaintSeamy
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We won't really know the impact a poor McKenna Cup will have until the league starts.
And even then, we won't be discussing a shite Wednesday night performance in the middle of January when the ball is thrown in v Antrim in April.
Those young lads will have learned a lot more about what it takes to play at this level tonight than playing Antrim last week.
Diarmi
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What utter rubbish. So just because you are on the county panel means you are confident?? Clueless....
Diarmi
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What could you learn from tonight? They weren't even played in their normal positions. I would safely say that line-out in the second half never played in that formation before. It was obvious they didn't know what to do or where to be.
Maybe there is some master stroke afoot that we are not aware of but I would have my doubts.
Armaghball
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Exactly. Theres lads played tonight who maybe won’t make it for the county and lads that will. Thing is we don’t know til they get their chance to either sink or swim. Every player needs games like this to gain experience at county level it doesn’t just happen.
All we can ask is that lads learn and improve.
Armaghmad00
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Not long in from cavan decent enough 1st half and poor 2nd. Not naming any names but big names just hadn't any interest in encouraging the younger lads in the 2nd half. Hopefully that'll change going into the league campaign.
Although I think Mcgeeneys was right to mix it up and give every player game time.
Although I think Mcgeeneys was right to mix it up and give every player game time.
Many comments above on the extent of the changes at half time, and more during the 2nd half.
In summary, while it is good to give players game time, I think it is unfair on new players to throw a lot of them on at the same time. They became disjointed - and then possibly disheartened. Would have been better to mix the more experienced players with say 5 lesser experienced players in each half, therefore they are not left bereft of leaders and can get more encouragement during a match from the older lads they are playing with.
Judging by that 2nd half display some of the "newbies" are not near the required level yet, but as above it was unfair on them and Geezer would have learnt little from that 2nd half. In a sense, he "hung them out to dry" and I think that can backfire on him in the long run.
Not his greatest evening or his smartest move !!!
In summary, while it is good to give players game time, I think it is unfair on new players to throw a lot of them on at the same time. They became disjointed - and then possibly disheartened. Would have been better to mix the more experienced players with say 5 lesser experienced players in each half, therefore they are not left bereft of leaders and can get more encouragement during a match from the older lads they are playing with.
Judging by that 2nd half display some of the "newbies" are not near the required level yet, but as above it was unfair on them and Geezer would have learnt little from that 2nd half. In a sense, he "hung them out to dry" and I think that can backfire on him in the long run.
Not his greatest evening or his smartest move !!!
I have extremely orange tinted glasses when it comes to Armagh and want to see the team win every time out.
However when Ciaran McKeever stated pre-McKenna Cup that the League match against Monaghan was Armagh’s focus, it was clear that a degree of experimentation would occur against Antrim and Cavan.
Good to get time under so many players belts and now a couple of under the radar challenge games and we can hit the ground running at Blaney
However when Ciaran McKeever stated pre-McKenna Cup that the League match against Monaghan was Armagh’s focus, it was clear that a degree of experimentation would occur against Antrim and Cavan.
Good to get time under so many players belts and now a couple of under the radar challenge games and we can hit the ground running at Blaney
ShiftYa
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I’m not McGeeneys biggest fan, I could list off reasons why I don’t think he the right man for the job, his poor record in Ulster over the past 9 years being the main one, but since when did anyone start caring about McKenna cup performances? It a time for experimentation, sometimes these go badly and there is something to be learned from that.
I wouldn’t care if Armagh got relegated tbh, we need to back up last year’s championship run with an Ulster final visit and at least reach an AI semi-final or last years run will just be seen as an anomaly.
I wouldn’t care if Armagh got relegated tbh, we need to back up last year’s championship run with an Ulster final visit and at least reach an AI semi-final or last years run will just be seen as an anomaly.
Armagh_paul
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I would care if we were relegated. I think we have got a better team than Roscommon, Donegal and Monaghan. The problem we have is that we need to pick up the points early and not worry about Tyrone relegating us.