National Football League 2023

CEMan

CEMan

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SaintSeamy said:
Don't think I'll ever come to terms with getting relegated by that lot.

Makes me sick.

We'll have to beat them in the Championship.
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I'd say there is a fair chance it will be a Derry Armagh Ulster final and after that... who knows.

None of the Div 1 teams look unbeatable.
 
ragingbull

ragingbull

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armaghlad said:
Disappointing result, considering it was extremely winnable, but relegation is probably a fair reflection of where Armagh are at. I don’t think we have the strength in depth, especially at the back, to be D1 regulars. You can point at injuries and who’s missing but that’s where the top teams differ - they have someone just as good or almost as good to come in and fill the gap.
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The backs didn't get us relegated it was other arenas & off the field that got us relegated
 
Lemallon

Lemallon

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At the minute, if we score 12 we concede 13, score 1-6 concede 1-8, score 16 concede 18. Al that tells me is that when it comes down to the last 10 minutes of a game we don’t have the specific type of player who can make the correct decision to get those 1/2 points or Turnovers that will win top level matches.
Look at today soupy scores to put us 14-13 the place is going crazy. And yet what happens from there we are beaten 5-2 and lose.
What was the possession stats from that time. I’d say at least 70-30 Tyrone if not higher.
Armagh allowed to Tyrone to win kickouts and then retreated retreated retreated until they eventually worked a free or a score.
The difference between their calmness and maturity and ours in that period was stark.
For years now we have simply been incapable of not conceding scorable frees in this crucial period.
Whether this is coaching or the caliber of
Player I’M not Certain. Again compare this to Tyrone. Huge difference. We also lack a spread of scorers.
Ciaran Mackin is a superstar in terms of work rate and effort but after 1 minute of the second half. Left footed shot. Maybe 25 yards out. Sadly when he shot I had zero confidence in him scoring and it proved correct.
While we did well around the middle I still felt there was a huge difference compared to what Conn Kirkpatrick offered Tyrone. He must have been involved in a huge number of their scores.
One of the scariest parts of today I felt was that our three best players by quite a distance were Aidan Forker Rory Grugan and Stefan Campbell.
It’s time for the younger players to win these games for us and it’s not happening.
Does this change with new management I’m not sure ?
It’s a different level of course but surely the achievements of Sligo and Wicklow with their armagh men at the helm can’t be ignored.
We have had the same man in charge since 2015. Here is another relegation. We have to be realistic. Surely the message needs refreshed. There can’t be anything new being drilled into the players.
The James Morgan situation is also very peculiar no matter what.
You don’t line out as a sub even once throughout the league and then play the first club game yesterday. That sends a strange message.
Our only hope now is injury clear ups in order to compete in the summer. At the minute the panel depth won’t take us too far.
 
William Of Orange

William Of Orange

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Lemallon said:
At the minute, if we score 12 we concede 13, score 1-6 concede 1-8, score 16 concede 18. Al that tells me is that when it comes down to the last 10 minutes of a game we don’t have the specific type of player who can make the correct decision to get those 1/2 points or Turnovers that will win top level matches.
Look at today soupy scores to put us 14-13 the place is going crazy. And yet what happens from there we are beaten 5-2 and lose.
What was the possession stats from that time. I’d say at least 70-30 Tyrone if not higher.
Armagh allowed to Tyrone to win kickouts and then retreated retreated retreated until they eventually worked a free or a score.
The difference between their calmness and maturity and ours in that period was stark.
For years now we have simply been incapable of not conceding scorable frees in this crucial period.
Whether this is coaching or the caliber of
Player I’M not Certain. Again compare this to Tyrone. Huge difference. We also lack a spread of scorers.
Ciaran Mackin is a superstar in terms of work rate and effort but after 1 minute of the second half. Left footed shot. Maybe 25 yards out. Sadly when he shot I had zero confidence in him scoring and it proved correct.
While we did well around the middle I still felt there was a huge difference compared to what Conn Kirkpatrick offered Tyrone. He must have been involved in a huge number of their scores.
One of the scariest parts of today I felt was that our three best players by quite a distance were Aidan Forker Rory Grugan and Stefan Campbell.
It’s time for the younger players to win these games for us and it’s not happening.
Does this change with new management I’m not sure ?
It’s a different level of course but surely the achievements of Sligo and Wicklow with their armagh men at the helm can’t be ignored.
We have had the same man in charge since 2015. Here is another relegation. We have to be realistic. Surely the message needs refreshed. There can’t be anything new being drilled into the players.
The James Morgan situation is also very peculiar no matter what.
You don’t line out as a sub even once throughout the league and then play the first club game yesterday. That sends a strange message.
Our only hope now is injury clear ups in order to compete in the summer. At the minute the panel depth won’t take us too far.
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I don't think that Tyrone have a much better calibre of Player compared to us , last year we also had a massive spread of scorers in our games example against Tyrone below 2022 championsip below

Scorers for Armagh: A Nugent (1-1), R O’Neill (0-4, 3f), E Rafferty, S Campbell, A Murnin (0-2 each), C O’Neill, S Sheridan, R Grugan, J Duffy, C Turbitt (0-1 each)

Scorers for Tyrone: D McCurry (0-7, 4f, 1 mark), C McKenna (1-0), P Harte, C Kilpatrick, R Donnelly (0-1 each)
 
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armaghtimmy

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Will comment tomorrow in work on game. Only thing for sure is that this place should be locked down from a game throws in to the next morning. Some people need to breath, count to ten, give their heads a wobble before they start typing during/immediately after a game. Wouldn't get it at primary school!!
 
Rufus T Firefly

Rufus T Firefly

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I'll try and keep it short. Not a bad performance today but the better team won. They were much better able to control the game and to work shooting chances and when they did they had players who could take those chances. My impression - without looking at the stats - was that they scored from a range of different players and positions which was not on a par with our lads. They had a lot more strength in depth and their players coming on were at least able to maintain the performance level of the team, if not improve it. The options they have are light years away from us. We on the other hand can only dream of such depth. Oh and on the weekend that one of our underage teams leaves the Championship in the first round, Tyrone had two underage sides displaying All Ireland silverware. We simply live off scraps in comparison.

For me, a lot of self inflicted wounds today, despite the efforts - bad turnovers, poor passing and some awful efforts at goal, but a lot of heart and commitment from the team. Relegation may have been confirmed today, but essentially the seeds have been sown long before. I worried that the Roscommon defeat would come back to haunt us and so it proved. Desperately disappointing day and particularly disappointing for yet another great Armagh following in Omagh. The roar that went up when Soupy gave us the lead late on was thrilling and I was so hoping it would drive the players on. Unfortunately not to be. Hopefully the Championship can help to reinvigorate things.
 
William Of Orange

William Of Orange

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Rufus T Firefly said:
There's absolutely no call for what I quoted. None whatsoever, regardless of your view on management.

I challenge that and you choose to infer it is petty / personal?
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I'm not talking about your quote solely , but it looks like that to me , lots of silly points scoring going on today in this forum , but we all get caught up in that and that's my opinion . Just to be clear also the original quote was out of order and plenty have already made that point .
 
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Banjocelt

Member
Relegation is a bitter pill for us all this evening, and although I believe we are better than teams like Monaghan and Ross for example, the league table doesn't lie. Every game has been tight, we haven't been embarrassed at any point, but we simply haven't done enough. Scored enough in the patches of games where we had momentum, executed in the closing stages of tight games, and coupled this with long stretches of poor quality, basic hand passing etc, second half in Roscommon for one. I would like to think the management have been using the league to develop weak points, defensive structure for example, which might result in frustration among fans and offensive players, but it's unlikely in reality, surely you develop all aspects of your game.

I just look back over the years to our inability to close out tight games. Div 1 is all about tight games
 
Rufus T Firefly

Rufus T Firefly

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William Of Orange said:
I'm not talking about your quote solely , but it looks like that to me , lots of silly points scoring going on today in this forum , but we all get caught up in that and that's my opinion . Just to be clear also the original quote was out of order and plenty have already made that point .
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Did you challenge it, or was your first post on the matter to challenge my criticism?
 
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