Ulster Championship 2023

14 point wins in 2 provincial finals. Lopsided to say the least. Chances are the dubs win by double digits next week as well. If ever there was an advertisement for provincial winners only to Sam groups stages, this first year is it.
Have to agree with this, provincial winners should be the only seeded teams and the rest based on league positions. Also so disheartening and frustrating looking at two half empty stadiums with seats galore, knowing that there are countless Armagh and Derry fans who want to attend Ulster final to support their county but cannot because Ulster has no fit for purpose stadium.
 

Armaghball

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Have to agree with this, provincial winners should be the only seeded teams and the rest based on league positions. Also so disheartening and frustrating looking at two half empty stadiums with seats galore, knowing that there are countless Armagh and Derry fans who want to attend Ulster final to support their county but cannot because Ulster has no fit for purpose stadium.
Yeah its all backwards
 

northarmaghgael

Active Member
Crossans article in the Irish News last week perfectly optimised the current situation with Clones.

One way in and out, with the long tailbacks. Clocked last week that traffic started 8km from the town centre and moved at a snails pace (this was 2 hours before throw in). And then the town itself has ran itself into the ground. The stadium hasn’t changed from the noughties where cubicles for toilets are in complete darkness etc. Donal Ogs piece on the Sunday game last night was brilliant. The GAA as a whole need to wake themselves up and move the association along in line with the times.

Ulsters in dire need of a fully purposed ‘modern’ stadium can can hold large crowds. Connacht have castlebar, Munster have cork, and obviously Leinster have Croke Park. Bar the AG, when was the last time an Ulster ground has got any significant upgrade ie increased capacity, new stand..?

Sooner the casement redevelopment is done the better IMO. Infrastructure is there, just off the motorway, good train/bus services from around the province. In the meantime, for large ulster games the GAA should be looking to accommodate as many gaels as possible and the only way they can do this is to have ulster finals in croke park.
 

Armaghniac

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Crossans article in the Irish News last week perfectly optimised the current situation with Clones.

One way in and out, with the long tailbacks. Clocked last week that traffic started 8km from the town centre and moved at a snails pace (this was 2 hours before throw in). And then the town itself has ran itself into the ground. The stadium hasn’t changed from the noughties where cubicles for toilets are in complete darkness etc. Donal Ogs piece on the Sunday game last night was brilliant. The GAA as a whole need to wake themselves up and move the association along in line with the times.

Ulsters in dire need of a fully purposed ‘modern’ stadium can can hold large crowds. Connacht have castlebar, Munster have cork, and obviously Leinster have Croke Park. Bar the AG, when was the last time an Ulster ground has got any significant upgrade ie increased capacity, new stand..?

Sooner the casement redevelopment is done the better IMO. Infrastructure is there, just off the motorway, good train/bus services from around the province. In the meantime, for large ulster games the GAA should be looking to accommodate as many gaels as possible and the only way they can do this is to have ulster finals in croke park.
The one way in and out depends on the teams playing. If Armagh played Cavan or Fermanagh there then people would be approaching from different directions. In Casement, you could easily have the same problem with everyone approaching from the Lisburn side.
The toilets should be fixed up, of course.
Buses and trains are more apparent than real. There will be no extra scheduled services put on in practice. For instance, there was no special train to Tralee for the Kerry league game. There are no extra scheduled buses to Omagh when we are playing there.

The Ulster council f**ked up big time with Casement, and no heads seem to have rolled for this mess where they refuse to upgrade Clones but at the same time do not provide Casement. A modest investment in CLones would have retained the capacity and this would have meant less pressure for tickets.
 

JoeH

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Have to agree with this, provincial winners should be the only seeded teams and the rest based on league positions. Also so disheartening and frustrating looking at two half empty stadiums with seats galore, knowing that there are countless Armagh and Derry fans who want to attend Ulster final to support their county but cannot because Ulster has no fit for purpose stadium.
the huge white elephant that's being proposed would not meet the demand
 

JoeH

Well-Known Member
Clones is also a club ground - it's not owned by Monaghan county
It is a great place to watch a game but as we all say the facilities at the stadium and in the town are sub standard.

The costs associated with keeping a pitch open keep rising and government/ council's don't seem to help
Modern stadiums have to have proper facilities for all persons, access, toilets,shops,medical rooms, turnstiles,seating,function rooms etc..
And they need to be used.
 

Hoops

Member
Have to agree with this, provincial winners should be the only seeded teams and the rest based on league positions. Also so disheartening and frustrating looking at two half empty stadiums with seats galore, knowing that there are countless Armagh and Derry fans who want to attend Ulster final to support their county but cannot because Ulster has no fit for purpose stadium.

League ranking is a deceptively poor measure for quality. Now that Clare have jumped back into Sam from Tailteann, they could very well progress from their group ahead of Donegal. And Sligo vs Kildare in Markievicz Park isn’t exactly a foregone conclusion, who knows which Kildare team will show up. I don’t think we can say that neither team has a right to be in the competition just because they aren’t close to two of the best teams in the country, when they might not even be among the first teams to be eliminated.
 

Wide ball

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League ranking is a deceptively poor measure for quality. Now that Clare have jumped back into Sam from Tailteann, they could very well progress from their group ahead of Donegal. And Sligo vs Kildare in Markievicz Park isn’t exactly a foregone conclusion, who knows which Kildare team will show up. I don’t think we can say that neither team has a right to be in the competition just because they aren’t close to two of the best teams in the country, when they might not even be among the first teams to be eliminated.
I think now we can all tell what teams will be bottom of their groups. Sligo is a great county and on the rise and play the right way but they will get whopped in all games. Clare have been division 2 for years but I'd still say Monaghan and even Donegal should beat them, league standings are the only way to go imo you will still get mismatches because a top team in div 1 is well ahead of bottom of div 2. But it's better for Sligo to develop in tailitan cup, getting a beating 4 games in a row won't help them
 

gazman317

Member
I think now we can all tell what teams will be bottom of their groups. Sligo is a great county and on the rise and play the right way but they will get whopped in all games. Clare have been division 2 for years but I'd still say Monaghan and even Donegal should beat them, league standings are the only way to go imo you will still get mismatches because a top team in div 1 is well ahead of bottom of div 2. But it's better for Sligo to develop in tailitan cup, getting a beating 4 games in a row won't help them
Down played division 3 and beat Donegal, so you'd think Clare would also have a great chance
 

ragingbull

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Next weekend's live GAA TV & streaming coverage:

Saturday
4.45pm: Cavan v Laois (F) - GAAGO
6pm: Waterford v Clare (H) - GAAGO
Time TBC - Kildare v Sligo (F) - TG4.

Sunday
1.45pm: Dublin v Louth (F) - RTÉ 2
4pm: Armagh v Derry (F) - RTÉ and BBC NI
 
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